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Dredge
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Message 691 of 1429 (896694)
08-16-2022 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 689 by AZPaul3
08-16-2022 8:25 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
AZPaul3 writes:
You mean like when the whole world knows evolution. Yeah, that's a fact.
Whatever "knows evolution" means.

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Dredge
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Message 692 of 1429 (896695)
08-16-2022 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 628 by Percy
08-08-2022 4:34 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Percy writes:
It means that it's not impossible that you could have inadvertently cut-n-pasted a superscript into the textbox, but there's no doubt that you did cut-n-paste it in. There's no other way it could have gotten there.
I didn't cut'n'paste that number in. I used my own words; I didn't copy them from anywhere.
That little number "6" popped up again about a week later, but I can't figure out where it came from.

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Theodoric
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Message 693 of 1429 (896696)
08-16-2022 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 690 by Phat
08-16-2022 9:42 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Irrelevant.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Dredge
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Message 694 of 1429 (896697)
08-16-2022 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 625 by ringo
08-08-2022 11:45 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes:
For future reference, failing to provide a citation for a quote is a lesser offense than lying about it. The cover-up is often worse than the original crime.
There was no citation. There was no cover-up.

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Dredge
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Message 695 of 1429 (896698)
08-16-2022 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 629 by dwise1
08-08-2022 6:12 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Nothing in your post demonstrates that vaccines could not be developed without the theory of universal common descent.

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Dredge
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Message 696 of 1429 (896699)
08-16-2022 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 642 by Tanypteryx
08-13-2022 10:27 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tanypteryx writes:
medicine DOES know about universal common ancestry and the more you know the more likely you will be able to find models for human health issues.
Why?

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Dredge
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Message 697 of 1429 (896701)
08-17-2022 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 615 by AZPaul3
08-07-2022 6:56 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
it's an inescapable fact you can't prove that know what process produced the changes evident in the fossil record.
AZPaul3 writes:
We have copious evidence that evolution is consistent in its operations as far back in time as we can physically see. We have identified, categorized, and lab/field tested and documented those operations we can see happen. We have no reasons to doubt the mechanisms we have identified extend well into those few remaining unknowable parts of our past.
Did some hill-billy teach you that "proof" means the same as "a theory supported by evidence"? As far as I know, there is no such teaching in science.
Perhaps in your mind, your strongly-held atheist belief in ToE has somehow morphed into "proof". If so, that would amount to a delusion.
But your version of ā€œproveā€ assumes that in those dark hidden parts some unknowable different mechanisms were in operation.
I don't recall claiming that such an assumption equates to proof ... or even that such an assumption is provable.
You insist, without evidence, without reasoning, that our documented mechanisms, as in the ToE, are wrong. That is your burden to prove.
1. No, not "without evidence, without reasoning".
2. When did I claim that your "documented mechanism, as in ToE, are wrong"?

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Percy
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Message 698 of 1429 (896704)
08-17-2022 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 692 by Dredge
08-16-2022 10:46 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
I didn't cut'n'paste that number in. I used my own words; I didn't copy them from anywhere.
My natural inclination is toward trust, but the character you've exhibited here so far tells me that would be foolish in this case.
The superscript issue is minor, but regardless of what really happened, that it's the remnants of a cut-n-paste you did is consistent with your other behavior here. That's the problem people create for themselves when they behave badly. They get blamed for any bad things that happen even when they're not actually responsible.
That little number "6" popped up again about a week later, but I can't figure out where it came from.
What browser and machine type are you using (Windows? Mac? iPhone? Android?). I'll investigate the possible ways a superscript 6 could get inserted in a textbox (other than cut-n-pasting). I've already demonstrated to myself that on a Macbook Pro using Chrome (that's my personal setup) it isn't possible.
--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Minor clarification.


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Theodoric
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Message 699 of 1429 (896707)
08-17-2022 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 698 by Percy
08-17-2022 8:51 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Might be time to cut the lying troll lose. Even Faith wasn't this bad.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 700 of 1429 (896709)
08-17-2022 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 699 by Theodoric
08-17-2022 10:06 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
As a participant I can take no administrative action in this thread.
--Percy

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Tangle
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Message 701 of 1429 (896714)
08-17-2022 11:55 AM


Given that he was identified as a troll hundreds of post ago, why are we still feeding him?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 702 of 1429 (896721)
08-17-2022 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 694 by Dredge
08-16-2022 10:52 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
There was no citation. There was no cover-up.
And the cover-up continues.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 703 of 1429 (896722)
08-17-2022 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 690 by Phat
08-16-2022 9:42 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Phat writes:
recognize
Incidentally, French has a third word for that, reconnaƮtre. I suppose Spanish, German, etc. do too.
I didn't read the rest of your quote. Stop doing that.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 704 of 1429 (896723)
08-17-2022 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 697 by Dredge
08-17-2022 12:27 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Phat writes:
Did some hill-billy teach you that "proof" means the same as "a theory supported by evidence"? As far as I know, there is no such teaching in science.
You don't know very far.
But there wouldn't be anything in science about proof, would there? Because, y'know, science doesn't deal in proof.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 705 of 1429 (896724)
08-17-2022 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 688 by Dredge
08-16-2022 8:09 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
What "YEC nonsense" would prevent a YEC from developing vaccines?
You tell me. Since YECs claim to know so much more about science than scientists do, why don't YECs develop vaccines? Why don't YECs produce ANYTHING useful?

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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