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Percy
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Message 526 of 623 (896229)
08-03-2022 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 522 by Dredge
08-03-2022 11:19 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Percy writes:
The consensus here seems to be that you're a troll, not an idiot.
A troll? If so, that is a grossly unfair assessment; the injustice of the century.

I am here to bring light to the darkness of confusion and delusion.
People trying to be constructive and helpful don't behave the way you do. Examples of your trollish behavior are your absurd comments about your IQ, ignoring responses, just repeating your initial argument over and over again no matter what is posted in response, and playing games with word definitions. These are all typical behaviors of trolls.
--Percy

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ringo
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Message 527 of 623 (896231)
08-03-2022 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 508 by Dredge
08-03-2022 8:12 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Phat writes:
A shameful example of contextomy.
Explain.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Dredge
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Message 528 of 623 (896232)
08-03-2022 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 386 by AZPaul3
07-22-2022 1:20 PM


Re: Dredge Is Still YEC
AZPaul3 writes:
There are literally millions of data points that evidence evolution on a macro scale. Your lie that we do not have or understand this data is your religious intransigence against actual knowledge. Knowledge that calls your god a fantasy.
You think evolution proves that God is a fantasy? If so, that supports my theory that evolution is a product of atheism.
Your presence here is your continued attempt to subvert reality to foster the Big Lie that your god exists. It doesn’t. And you cannot show otherwise.
We can show evolution as defined by the ToE. We can show micro to macro in the fossil record as well as in the lab. We know how whales evolved from pakicetus over 50 million years. We have the data. We have the fossils.
And those that study these things all agree the evidence is conclusive. Whales evolved from the 4-legged land animal pakicetus and we know each step along the way and we have lots of fossils of the intermediate forms like ambulocetus, remingtoncetus and basilsaurus.
And we can chart the same for millions of organism.
Your contention that we do not know these things is a ridiculous fabrication borne of your catholic-centered stupidity and a deep need for you to lie your god back into contention as effective in this universe.
The ToE is real. Your god is not.
I can sum up your sermon with three sad words: Manifest Delusion.

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ringo
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Message 529 of 623 (896233)
08-03-2022 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 488 by Dredge
08-02-2022 6:35 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Dredge writes:
Even the village idiot knows...
But he's smarter than you.
Dredge writes:
... that no one will ever be able to prove...
Stop saying "prove".
Dredge writes:
Who's being arrogant now?
What's arrogant about refusing to accept the pronouncements of a fool like you?
Dredge writes:
You must be confusing me with someone else ... I never made that claim.
You certainly did. You have claimed repeatedly in this thread that "nobody can know x". I'm saying that YOU can not know what other people can know.
Dredge writes:
A theory is not knowledge...
Yes it is - and you are in no position to pontificate about it, idiot.
Dredge writes:
... it's just an idea that descibes a possibility.
It's the BEST description and explanation available. And that's the only kind of knowledge we have about anything.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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ringo
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Message 530 of 623 (896234)
08-03-2022 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 500 by Dredge
08-03-2022 4:36 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Please be advised that ToE is neither a fact and nor is it knowledge.
Why on earth would we be advised by an idiot?
YOU should be advised that your admission of being unintelligent makes everything you say irrelevant.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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nwr
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Message 531 of 623 (896235)
08-03-2022 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 528 by Dredge
08-03-2022 11:56 AM


Re: Dredge Is Still YEC
You think evolution proves that God is a fantasy?
Maybe we are getting to the core of the issue. Dredge is apparently worried that evolution somehow refutes his religion.
Sorry, you have missed by a mile (or more). Evolution tells us nothing about God. It is the behavior of the god-bots (that includes you) that persuade us that your God is a fantasy.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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AZPaul3
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Message 532 of 623 (896236)
08-03-2022 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 528 by Dredge
08-03-2022 11:56 AM


Re: Dredge Is Still YEC
You think evolution proves that God is a fantasy? If so, that supports my theory that evolution is a product of atheism.
Oh, not just evolution calls your god fake, so do physics, cosmology, chemistry, and all the sciences. Your god is an unevidenced fantasy. And it has nothing to do with atheism. It has to do with the fact that there is nothing there.
There is nothing you can show that evidences your god. And, as usual, that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence*.
Evolution alone does not prove your god false. All of reality in the universe combined rejects your god because there is nothing there. That is the evidence of your god's true nature. Your god is a delusion.
*Some smart guy.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 533 of 623 (896241)
08-03-2022 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 527 by ringo
08-03-2022 11:53 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes:
Explain.
In Message 343 I made the point that using science to explain evolutionary transitions in the fossil record is pointless unless the explanation can be proven to be correct ... in other words, without that proof, using science in that context is irrelevant.
But you've ignored the context and taken the words "science is irrelevant" to make the absurd claim in Message 351 that I think all science is irrelevant.
Why did you do that?

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Dredge
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Message 534 of 623 (896242)
08-03-2022 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 532 by AZPaul3
08-03-2022 1:07 PM


Re: Dredge Is Still YEC
AZPaul3 writes:
Oh, not just evolution calls your god fake, so do physics, cosmology, chemistry, and all the sciences.
I didn't know that.

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Dredge
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Message 535 of 623 (896243)
08-03-2022 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 532 by AZPaul3
08-03-2022 1:07 PM


Re: Dredge Is Still YEC
AZPaul3 writes:
Evolution alone does not prove your god false. All of reality in the universe combined rejects your god because there is nothing there. That is the evidence of your god's true nature. Your god is a delusion.
I didn't know that.

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Dredge
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Message 536 of 623 (896244)
08-03-2022 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 386 by AZPaul3
07-22-2022 1:20 PM


Re: Dredge Is Still YEC
AZPaul3 writes:
Just from the opening messages from you in this thread I find 5 absolute lies. I couldn’t go any more. There are so many lies in your posts I can’t stomach to swamp through them all.
A shameful display of gross mendacity on my part, by the sounds of it..

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Dredge
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Message 537 of 623 (896245)
08-03-2022 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by Tanypteryx
07-22-2022 2:04 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tanypteryx writes:
Anyway, when you paste his scientific achievements into a post about ID, you are implying that ID is supported by his work in paleontology and entomology, but that is not the case at all.
I implied no such thing. You have a vivid imagination, I must say ... no wonder you're a Darwinist!

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Dredge
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Message 538 of 623 (896246)
08-03-2022 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 388 by dwise1
07-22-2022 2:16 PM


Re: Dredge Is Still YEC
dwise1 writes:
but he's pure creationist in all other ways.
Thank you.

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ringo
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Message 539 of 623 (896247)
08-03-2022 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 533 by Dredge
08-03-2022 2:44 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
In Message 343 I made the point that using science to explain evolutionary transitions in the fossil record is pointless unless the explanation can be proven to be correct ...
And that point has been refuted six ways from Sunday.
Dredge writes:
... in other words, without that proof, using science in that context is irrelevant.
And you've also been told six ways from Sunday that science has nothing to do with proof.
Dredge writes:
But you've ignored the context and taken the words "science is irrelevant" to make the absurd claim in Message 351 that I think all science is irrelevant.
It's clear that you do think all science is irrelevant because you continue to talk about "proof" and you refuse to learn anything about science.
Dredge writes:
Why did you do that?
Because some poor innocent person who only got the Internet yesterday might think we don't know how to deal with assholes like you. As long as you continue to post rubbish, somebody has to clean it up.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Tanypteryx
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Message 540 of 623 (896249)
08-03-2022 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 537 by Dredge
08-03-2022 3:03 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
I implied no such thing.
Of course you did, there's no other reason for posting all the BS about his scientific achievements.
After reading the latest crap he has written about evolution, I find I am skeptical of the integrity of his work on Odonate fossils.
You have a vivid imagination, I must say ... no wonder you're a Darwinist!
Yep, I do. I don't know what the three dots mean, but the last part demonstrates your vivid imagination. I am actually an Odonatist.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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