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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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My argument is that no one can prove that ToE (or any other theory) describes the process that shaped the fossil record, therefore no one can claim to know how evolution works. Well, so far your argument has failed to prove anything. The evolutionary processes left evidence that we observe is the same as the processes leave today. You keep saying "no one can", but the biologists of the world are ignoring you and carrying on with describing their observations.
Bechly and Behe are not going to persuade all those rusted-on atheist biologists out there. They sure want to, but their ID argument is completely based on religious fiction, not science.
On the contrary, all those rusted-on atheist biologists out there will be hostile to any suggestion of intelligent design in nature. Not so much hostile, but dismissive. I don't know what happened to Bechly, but if it has biased his presentation of evidence, then the validity of all of his work should be questioned, by his colleagues. I have never heard of "rusted-on atheist biologists" before but I kind of like it, especially coming from a member of the Catholic Pedo Cult.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
Dr. Bechly doesn't deny that evolution has happened ... he argues that ToE can't account for what is observed. Does he really? Which specific observations does he dispute? How would he correct the Theory of Evolution to more accurately describe reality? Does he provide any supporting evidence? Citations would be niceStop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
You cannot dispute the facts presented in Message 424. Indeed we have such knowledge of the evolutionary transitions of millions of critters. Again, you're just too stupid to see it. It sure would be nice if he ever presented anything at all supporting ID. All we get is
quote After all these years that the Discovery Institute had multimillion dollar budgets and they failed to produce a single shred of evidence supporting intelligent design in nature, of the Universe, this galaxy, this solar system, this planet, or any of the life on this planet, other than the tinkering humans have done on the genomes of several thousand species.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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nwr writes: Gunter Bechly came up with a similar challenge. And several biologists answered it. But, of course, Bechly rejected all of their answers, because what he was really asking was a matter of his subjective opinion. And he was not about to accept any responses to his challenge. See the discussion here: Bechly’s “Species Pairs” Challenge I kept meaning to thank you for this link. It's very interesting seeing others accessing Bechly's reasoning and his scientific contributions.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
Sludge writes: No one can prove that humans evolved from some ape-like creature I don't know of anyone trying to prove that. What I do know is that there are mountains of evidence supporting the fact that all primates share a common ancestor and that humans are primates, both morphologically and genetically. All the evidence also supports the fact that humans are great apes and share common ancestors with all the living and extinct members of that clade.
Sludge writes: ... therefore no one can claim that said evolution is a "fact". Your conclusion is incorrect, but I don't see how you could enforce it anyway. We know that evolution does in fact occur and that the theory of Evolution explains the processes of descent with modification: reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat.
Sludgge writes: Do you know the difference between a belief and a fact? Yep, I do. Beliefs are bullshit and facts are supported by evidence.
Sludge writes: Ringo writes:
"current knowledge" doesn't include a scientific theory. A theory is not knowledge - it's just an idea that descibes a possibility. When I say we "know" something, I refer to the best current knowledge that we have, not some voodoo absolute knowledge. What we know, science can always change. This is still incorrect and will remain incorrect no matter how many time you repeat it, as has been pointed out to you numerous times. You don't have much of a game, do you?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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Sludge writes: Tanypteryx writes:
Please be advised that ToE is neither a fact and nor is it knowledge. That's why, unlike you, we rely on evidence to support our facts. Please be advised that I never said that ToE was a fact, but it clearly is knowledge as it explains the evidence (facts) of evolution.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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The consensus here seems to be that you're a troll, not an idiot. They are not mutually exclusive. The evidence shows he is an idiot and a troll.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
Sludge writes: "You disappoint me, my friend." Oh good, that was my goal.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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I implied no such thing. Of course you did, there's no other reason for posting all the BS about his scientific achievements. After reading the latest crap he has written about evolution, I find I am skeptical of the integrity of his work on Odonate fossils.
You have a vivid imagination, I must say ... no wonder you're a Darwinist! Yep, I do. I don't know what the three dots mean, but the last part demonstrates your vivid imagination. I am actually an Odonatist.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
You laugh at the most surprising things.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
The big difference is that the Theory of Evolution does indeed help us in furthering medical knowledge, while no god ever has. Instead, gods have proven to be a great hinderance in the advancement of medicine. This is all just pete and repeat from Sludge Boy. We all refuted this pathetic argument more than a year ago.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
Sludge writes: Those posters deliberately and dishonestly twisted my words and misrepresented my position - in other words, that bowl of spiders were liars. You were probably one of them. Yep, I probably was, and like every other argument of yours has been refuted and corrected this one is also. Deliberately and dishonestly twisting your opponent's words and misrepresenting your opponent's position and making absurd claims about evolution and science is all you have done here, and your bullshit has been corrected repeatedly, but with you it is always "pete and repeat." ID and creationism have been defeated by their own lies and failure to produce any supporting evidence for creation or intelligent design, of the Universe, or of life.
Sludge writes: All those snakes did was ignore that I was arguing Come on make up your mind which is most despicable, snakes or spiders?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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Sludge writes: Knowledge of the mechanisms of evolution has certainly contributed to the treatment of disease, but the theory that all life on earth shares a common ancestor has contributed nothing at all to the treatment of disease. It's a useless theory. We defeated this pathetic argument years ago. You have been repeatedly refuted in every argument you've made here.
sludge writes: I invite you to prove me wrong You're too late, we did that ages ago.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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Hey, we celebrated the Dover Verdict together, remember?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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Are you telling me the Dredge was lying again? Yep, same ones over and over.
That's a 10 commandments violation. His boss is not going to be pleased. You would thinks so, but his boss is fictitious, so it's a paradox.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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