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Topic: Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 131 of 1429 (894882)
05-31-2022 1:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by Tangle
05-31-2022 1:06 PM
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Yeah, those catholic charities Dredge is boasting about are just ways to congregate victims. That's what churches are, child rape organizations.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 133 of 1429 (894885)
05-31-2022 2:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 132 by dwise1
05-31-2022 1:58 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Let people read the Bible for themselves and they'll start interpreting it for themselves which leads to schisms and new denominations, exactly what we see among Protestants. For Catholics, any different interpretation is heresy. What I find mind boggling is that the Christian religions have had such impact and control over human society for 2 thousand years based on myths written down by a bunch of bronze age Jews, who they mostly seem to hate. It's amazing that modern humans believe a bunch of crap cooked up by bronze age goat herders.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 138 of 1429 (894901)
06-01-2022 10:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 136 by Dredge
06-01-2022 9:53 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: so please describe the process involved in the evolution of an amphibian's double-circulation heart from a fish's single-circulation heart, including the steps involved how natural selection and what environmental pressures produced those steps. Reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat. Selective pressures: finding food, finding a mate, reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat. You already know this.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 139 of 1429 (894902)
06-01-2022 10:56 AM
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Reply to: Message 137 by Dredge
06-01-2022 10:09 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes: "please describe how a whale's blowhole evolved. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced each of those steps. Please describe how birds evolved from reptiles. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced those steps. Please describe how amphibians evolved from fish. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced those steps." Reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat. Selective pressures: finding food, finding a mate, reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat. You already know this.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 164 of 1429 (894963)
06-03-2022 3:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 161 by Dredge
06-03-2022 2:36 PM
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Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Troll writes: What matters is that you can't describe the process involved in the evolution of any novel body plan or organ. What matters is that you can't describe any novel body plan or organ. I don't think you can point to a single novel body plan or novel organ. The evolutionary process is descent with modification, not poof with modification. Troll writes: You wouldn't even know where to start. Well it's obvious you don't know where to start to describe novel body plans or novel organs. I would start with organisms reproducing with new mutations, selection, repeat. Selective pressures: finding food, finding a mate, reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat. No novel body plans, no novel organs, just descent with modification. ABE: And just for clarification, a novel body plan or organ would be something completely new showing up in one generation. We all know that parents reproduce offspring that are almost identical in body plan with almost identical organs. That's why it's called REproduction not NOVELproduction. Edited by Tanypteryx, .
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 170 of 1429 (894978)
06-04-2022 1:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 149 by marc9000
06-03-2022 8:30 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
m9k writes: What you've done is effectively shown that evolution / atheism has very comparable faith, hope, unanswered questions etc as does Christianity. Funny, I must have missed that, I haven't seen him do anything but ask inane questions. Science has unanswered question and seeks answers in a methodical way using evidence and Christianity says it already has the answers but they are magic and invisible and imaginary.
m9k writes: That's why they're so angry. School shootings make me angry, corrupt politicians make me angry, but unanswered questions just make me curious. Failure to effectively communicate frustrates me, but someone like you, who thinks evolution and atheism are connected and that they are in any way comparable to "faith and hope" scares the crap out of me.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 179 of 1429 (895004)
06-05-2022 6:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 177 by Tangle
06-05-2022 5:27 PM
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In short, we've shown you ours, you show is yours. Actually he has shown us his. It's his guns and willingness to kill us for not believing anything he says, and of course his intentionally misinterpreted bible and 2nd amendment of the U.S. constitution. He's the American Taliban.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 185 of 1429 (895286)
06-20-2022 2:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 184 by Dredge
06-20-2022 1:37 PM
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Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
I'm not interested in hearing your theory again ... I'm interested in what you know. That's what a scientific theory is, everything we know about the subject.
Evidently, what you know about how novel body plans and organs evolve is next to nothing. This has already been answered a bunch of times. Novel body plans and organs evolve through reproduction, with changes from generation to generation (descent with modification), and nature selects for differential reproductive success. Novel body plan and organs evolve the same way as all other biological features, they are only recognized as novel when humans compare them to ancestral forms. This is really obvious.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 192 of 1429 (895300)
06-21-2022 10:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 191 by Dredge
06-21-2022 9:53 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
My "inane questions" have demonstrated that your claim to "know how evolution works" is bullshit. Oh, really, how? It has been explained to you numerous times. You just don't like the answer.
You can't describe the process involved in the evolution of even one novel body plan or organ And you still have not described a novel body plan or organ. Novel compared to what?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 195 of 1429 (895303)
06-21-2022 11:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 194 by Dredge
06-21-2022 10:52 AM
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Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Describe a novel body plan or organ. Novel compared to what?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 199 of 1429 (895308)
06-21-2022 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 196 by Dredge
06-21-2022 11:23 AM
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Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Describe a novel body plan or organ. Novel compared to what?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 208 of 1429 (895319)
06-21-2022 6:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 196 by Dredge
06-21-2022 11:23 AM
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Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Try as it might, not even decades of unrelenting Darwinist propaganda can turn a theory into a fact - ie, knowledge. Well, you fail to surprise me yet again. Your unsurprising lack of knowledge about scientific theories makes it difficult to explain anything to you.
Your irrational attempt to equate a theory with knowledge is typical of Darwinists and demonstrates how thoroughly deluded they are. Actually, I'm happy with my understanding that a scientific theory explains all the knowledge in the relevant field and none of the wild assed guesses of your catholic pedophile cult. I don't know any Darwinists, but I know what all scientists mean when they talk about theories, which you irrationally think is a wild assed guess, like your cult.
Your theorizing is just bluff and is as meaningless as a fairy tale. Awe, but your catholic cult actually is a fairy tale.
Take an organism and evolve a novel body plan or organ from it As soon as you define a novel body plan or organ and explain what you are comparing its uniqueness to, and why. We've told you what we know, microevolution, descent with modification, repeated each generation, but you reject it. You seem to think there is some magic or something, but the evidence doesn't show anything else and supports what we've told you.
then I will accept that you know how evolution works. Like I said earlier, I'm happy with what I know. I've never expected or sought your acceptance.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 223 of 1429 (895338)
06-22-2022 4:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 217 by Dredge
06-22-2022 1:37 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Drudge writes: Do you understand the difference between a THEORY and KNOWLEDGE? You really don't get it, do you?
Drudge writes: the theory (of evolution) then becomes a fact ... based on faith Funny, the only people who have this fantasy are creationists, because all you have is faith in fictional stories. The Theory of Evolution has something far more powerful than faith...it has supporting evidence in libraries and museums around the world.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 231 of 1429 (895356)
06-23-2022 3:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 227 by Dredge
06-23-2022 2:35 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
You can't prove that they're "fictional stories", so your claim is based on faith. No, my claim is based on the fact that there is no supporting evidence that they are anything other than fiction.
But Darwinists (esp the atheist variety) believe that ToE is more than a theory - they believe it is a fact. Well, I don't know any Darwinists of the atheist variety so I don't know or care what they believe. On the other hand, evolutionary biologists know that the Theory of Evolution is an EXPLANATION of the supporting evidence for evolution.
It's impossible to know how any of the evolutionary transitions evident in the fossil record occurred You have given no valid reason to doubt that evolution occurred in the past any differently than we see it occurring in the present, other than your own vacuous incredulity.
Come to think of it, to claim to "know" something that can't possibly be known actually goes beyond faith ... it's flat-out DELUSION.
I have faith in Jesus Christ and I believe my faith is the truth, but unlike Darwinist fanatics, I don't claim to "know" that my faith is the truth. That is the difference between religious faith and Darwinist delusion. Well, I have to admit it, you do seem to have first hand knowledge of delusion.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4407 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 241 of 1429 (895371)
06-23-2022 11:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 238 by Dredge
06-23-2022 10:48 PM
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Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
Please be advised that a theory is not knowledge. And you really still don't get it. Every legitimate scientist and every science nerd knows that wild assed guesses like you're talking about and scientific theories are completely different things. The word theory has two different meanings.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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