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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
The late science historian and atheist, Dr. William Provine, said, This science = atheism thing though must be really hard to square in even an addled mind. It's just wrong isn't it? "Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented". According to you he was talking complete crap.
Atheism is a minority interest, most scientists - and that includes people working directly in areas such a evolutionary biology - are not atheists.
That is almost certainly bullshit. "Nearly 95% of the biologists in the National Academy of Sciences describe themselves as atheists or agnostics, a far higher percentage than in any other scientific discipline."[Larry Witham, Where Darwin Meets the Bible (2002), pp. 271-273]"
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Please be advised that a theory is not knowledge. What we know is the ToE together with sister sciences like biology, genetics, paleontology and a whole host of others. And all that knowledge (note the root word of knowledge is to know) makes it plain to all but the most braindead that evolution made everything just as the theories predicted. We KNOW how an internal combustion engine works ... hence there is no Theory of Internal Combustion Engines.We KNOW how to build a house ... hence there is no Theory of House-building. Conversely, we DON'T KNOW what process was responsible for the fossil record ... hence there is a Theory of Evolution. For your psychological well-being, you and your fellow atheists need to delude yourselves that ToE is a fact and is therefore "knowledge" ... which is actually oxymoronic ... if it were a fact it wouldn't be a theory.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
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AZPaul3 writes:
Yep, you have so much knowledge about evolution that you can't describe how even one evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened. What we know is the ToE together with sister sciences like biology, genetics, paleontology and a whole host of others. And all that knowledge (note the root word of knowledge is to know) makes it plain to all but the most braindead that evolution made everything just as the theories predicted.Edited by Dredge, .
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
But Darwinists (esp the atheist variety) believe that ToE is more than a theory - they believe it is a fact.Parasomnium writes:
I think it's fair to say atheist Darwinists believe that the history of life on earth proceeded according to ToE ... ie, they believe ToE is a fact.
No, they don't.
They do not conflate the body of knowledge about how life on earth changed over time (a.k.a. the Theory of Evolution) with the fact that it obviously did (as the fossil record shows).
Anyone who claims to know how ToE produced the history of life on earth is, in effect, claiming ToE is a fact.
Dredge, you must have seen it explained many times that the term 'theory' in this context is used to mean "the body of knowledge concerning the mechanisms behind evolution", but you choose to ignore it and keep insisting Darwinists are actually using the term to mean "hypothesis" in its quotidian sense. This is disingenuous conduct.
Please describe how the "mechanisms behind evolution" produced an amphibian's double-circulation heart from the single-circulation heart of a fish. Please describe how the "mechanisms behind evolution" produced a whale's blowhole and tail from the morphology of a land mammal. Please describe how the "mechanisms behind evolution" produced any evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
My "inane questions" have demonstrated that your claim to "know how evolution works" is bullshit.
"Tanypteryx" writes:
I have explained it to you numerous times. You just don't like the answer.
Oh, really, how? It has been explained to you numerous times. You just don't like the answer. Regardless, I shall present my argument one more time: 1. You don't know how evolutionary mechanisms produced an amphibian's double-circulation heart from a the single-circulation heart of a fish. 2. You don't know how evolutionary mechanisms produce a whale's blowhole and tail from a land animal. 3. In fact, you don't how evolutionary mechanisms produced any evolutionary transitions evident in the fossil record. 1 + 2 + 3 = your claim to know how evolution works is clearly bullsh_t.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
You have no way of confirming that a whale's nostrils evolved from the nosrils of a land mammal and you have no way of confirming any process that might be responsible ... therefore you cannot claim to know how that (alleged) transition occurred. When you live in the water, it's more efficient to breathe through the top of your head instead of the front of your face. Transitionals with their nostrils closer to the surface had a better chance of survival - they didn't have to stand on their tails to breathe. (Maybe that infamous "vertical whale" had his fatal accident while taking a breath.)
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
... yet there are millions of Darwinists out there who believe the theory of evolution is also a fact. The atheist variety are especially devoted to this theory/fact belief system.
A theory is an explanation of a fact. So no, a theory doesn't "become" a fact. Never has, never will. Nobody but an illiterate anti-science dimwit would ever suggest that a theory "turns into" a fact.
But evolution is a fact. And the theory of Evolution is an explanation of that fact.
What "evolution" are you referring to?
Nobody but an illiterate anti-science dimwit would ever suggest that a theory "turns into" a fact.
I hope you're not suggesting that I myself am "illiterate" ... I'm semi-illiterate.As for being a "dimwit" ... yes, that's true; I am a dimwit (although I prefer the word, "halfwit"). As for being "anti-science" ... not me.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
What "new body plans" are you referring to?
We produce new body plans and weird configurations of drosophila and other bugs in the lab every day.
And while you’re explaining, please explain why your catholic conception of a god is so murderous, blood thirsty and evil?
This would be funny if it weren't so sadly pathological ... completely and utterly off-topic, nevertheless you couldn't resist the urge to inject some hate-speech into the conversation.Edited by Dredge, .
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
Your refusal to describe how evolution happened means you don't know how evolution happened.
Your refusal to say whether you accept that evolution has happened means that's there's little point discussing how it happened.You're just another fake Christian
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
kjsimons writes:
Language is interesting, isn't it? In Australia, we don't say "asshole" ... we say "arsehole".
Listen asshole, since you can't describe cell division by cell division how you came to exist, then you can't possibly exist!So just f off unless you want to have a reasonable discussion.
If you know how evolution works, please describe how an amphibian's double-circulation heart (allegedly) evolved from the single-circulation heart of a fish. What was the first step?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
nwr writes:
Dr. Gunter Bechly is one of my heroes! .. and evolutionnews.org has long been my favourite science website.
Gunter Bechly came up with a similar challenge. And several biologists answered it. But, of course, Bechly rejected all of their answers, because what he was really asking was a matter of his subjective opinion. And he was not about to accept any responses to his challenge. See the discussion here:
Thanx for the link ... I love to read Bechly's stuff.
Bechly’s “Species Pairs” Challenge
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
Deary, deary me - that's not even close to what I said. I said it's delusional to equate the theory of evolution with knowledge (aka fact).
I don't know any Darwinists, but I know what all scientists mean when they talk about theories, which you irrationally think is a wild assed guess.your catholic cult actually is a fairy tale.
Here you go again ... claiming to know things that no one can possibly know. First you claimed to know how evolution works ... now you claim to know that Catholicism is a fairy tale. We've told you what we know, microevolution, descent with modification, repeated each generation
In that case, please describe the microevolutionary steps involved in the (alleged) evolution of an amphibian's double-circulation heart from the single-circulation heart of a fish.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Stile writes:
You can't describe the step-by-step process of even one evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record ... which means you can't claim to know how evolution works.
I don't know the step-by-step process involved in climbing Mt. Everest (or any specific, individual mountain, really...)But I know how people climb mountains. I don't know the step-by-step process involved in getting a 747 jet to take-off.But I know how airplanes fly. I don't know the step-by-step process involved in most of my colleagues' drive to work.But I know how people drive from point A to point B. You're lost in your own panic.
I sincerely thank you for your wonderful words of wisdom, which are ... so profound ... that I don't think I will ever understand them.
Like an adult desperately flailing their arms in 2 feet of water crying out that you can't swim... everyone around you is just so confused and thinking... why don't you just stand up?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Meanwhile, you can't describe the process involved in even one evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record ... yet you claim to know how evolution works.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
Yep, no doubt about it ... Dr. Gunter Bechly is definitely stupid ... Stupid is as creationists do. He worked from 1999-2016 as scientific curator for amber and fossil insects in the paleontological department at the State Museum of Natural History (SMNS) in Stuttgart (Germany), which is one of the five biggest natural history museums in Germany. He also held a teaching assignment at the University Hohenheim in Germany on insect systematics and phylogeny. He has authored or co-authored more than 160 scientific publications, including a co-edited and co-authored book published by Cambridge University Press and a German popular science book on evolution, as well as several book chapters (including three chapters in the latest and largest monograph on the Solnhofen fossil locality and the chapter on insect evolution and systematics in Grzimek's Animal Life Encyclopedia). He pioneered the phylogenetic re-classification of the insect order Odonata (dragonflies, damselflies, and their fossil relatives), made substantial contributions to the question of the evolutionary origin of insect wings, and ranks among the world leading experts on fossil dragonflies and on fossil insects from the Solnhofen and Crato limestones. He has discovered and described more than 180 new species (incl. three new insect orders), and 11 biological groups have been named as eponyms by other scientists in his honor. He served on the editorial boards of five scientific journals (Petalura, Odonatologica, Archaeopteryx, Palaeodiversity, and BIO-Complexity). What a moron!!Edited by Dredge, .
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