Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals

Tanypteryx writes: You didn't "mention" any specific species transitions and you have been told, repeatedly, that there is no such process as macroevolution ...No, because the process involved in evolutionary transition in the fossil record is microevolution.

Answersingenitals writes: If you are unable to provide every bit of detail (and proof of that detail) asked for, does that mean that we haven't the foggiest idea of how long extinct volcanoes, glacial lakes, or pyramids came to be?

Tangle writes: He's not stupid

Percy writes:But please stop posting messages that in essence say, "If you can be this dumb then you too can be Catholic."

Dredge writes: please describe the process involved in the evolution of an amphibian's double-circulation heart from a fish's single-circulation heart, including the steps involved how natural selection and what environmental pressures produced those steps.

Tanypteryx writes:Reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat. Selective pressures: finding food, finding a mate, reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat.

Dredge writes: "please describe how a whale's blowhole evolved. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced each of those steps.
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Please describe how birds evolved from reptiles. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced those steps.
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Please describe how amphibians evolved from fish. Describe the steps involved and how natural selection and environmental pressures produced those steps."

Tanypteryx writes: Reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat. Selective pressures: finding food, finding a mate, reproduction, mutation, selection, repeat.

AZPaul3 writes: idiot.

A scientific theory like ToE becomes the searchlight and describes how any macro-evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded. Not in molecular detail but in enough detail to see natures workings.

Dredge writes: Can you describe how even one macro-evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded?

Tangle writes: Abstract
In the past few decades, many new discoveries have provided numerous transitional fossils that show the evolution of hoofed mammals from their primitive ancestors. We can now document the origin of the odd-toed perissodactyls, their early evolution when horses, brontotheres, rhinoceroses, and tapirs can barely be distinguished, and the subsequent evolution and radiation of these groups into distinctive lineages with many different species and interesting evolutionary transformations through time. Similarly, we can document the evolution of the even-toed artiodactyls from their earliest roots and their great radiation into pigs, peccaries, hippos, camels, and ruminants. We can trace the complex family histories in the camels and giraffes, whose earliest ancestors did not have humps or long necks and looked nothing like the modern descendants. Even the Proboscidea and Sirenia show many transitional fossils linking them to ancient ancestors that look nothing like modern elephants or manatees. All these facts show that creationist attacks on the fossil record of horses and other hoofed mammals are completely erroneous and deceptive. Their critiques of the evidence of hoofed mammal evolution are based entirely on reading trade books and quoting them out of context, not on any firsthand knowledge or training in paleontology or looking at the actual fossils.
Evolutionary Transitions in the Fossil Record of Terrestrial Hoofed Mammals - Evolution: Education and Outreach

Percy writes: You believe life on earth evolved because you know what evolution looks like in the fossil record, and you know what evolution looks like because you know how it works.

Do we know the details of how the whale's blowhole migrated to the top of its head in terms of mutations, matings and morphological changes? No, of course not. But we still know how evolution works.

marc9000 writes:What you've done is effectively shown that evolution / atheism has very comparable faith, hope, unanswered questions etc as does Christianity. That's why they're so angry.

Tangle writes:So, before I waste more of my time, have you accepted that those transitions *did* happen?

Tangle writes:But highly relevant to mine and the ToE. If you don't accept that those transition happened there's little point me explaining how.

Tangle writes:I'm don't need a discussion on it I just need you to say whether you accept the evidence that evolution has happened or not.

then get into the how of evolutionary theory

Dredge writes:You keep trying to steer the discussion from knowing HOW evolution happens.

Tangle writes: I'm (sic) don't need a discussion on it