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Jzyehoshua
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Message 52 of 70 (892091)
02-25-2022 6:18 PM


Biblically -Based Phylogeny
I have a Biblically-based phylogeny here:
Baramin - BibleStrength
It's a bit rudimentary but gives a general idea. Genesis 1:11-12 and 1:20-30 first creates a distinction between plants and animals, flora and fauna. Plants are divided into seed-sowing plants and fruit trees, the latter said to have seed within themselves, so how seeding occurs is the basis for differentiation according to Gen. 1:12.
Based on Genesis 1, there are 8 categories of fauna, mayim sherets (marine creeping things), owph (flying creatures - which includes owph sherets - flying creeping things), gadowl tanniyn (huge dragons - dinosaurs), mayim chay (marine life), 'erets chay (earth life), behemah (cattle), remes (reptiles), and adam (man).
Further phylogenous distinctions can be drawn from Lev. 11, but this serves as the basic framework.

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Jzyehoshua
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Message 54 of 70 (892096)
02-25-2022 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by AZPaul3
02-25-2022 8:26 PM


Re: Biblically -Based Phylogeny
That 'real phylogeny' fails the test for falsification Darwin set for the original theory of evolution, discovery of transitional forms/missing links. Darwinists in the 1970s did a bait and switch to avoid the complete lack of such evidence for evolution from a common ancestor in the fossil record, creating a new theory called Punctuated Equilibrium to propose that evolution just sped up rapidly in response to the very catastrophes Darwin and Lyell originally denied, too rapidly for transitional forms in the fossil record.
Meanwhile, evolutionist claims made for a century of a knucklewalking ancestor to humans similar to modern apes has proven a complete fiction, as the earliest hominids have proven bipedal, dispelling the possibility of a knucklewalking ancestor comparable to modern apes. See e.g. Ardipithecus ramidus, Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Orrorin tugenensis, and Australopithecus afarensis.
"Move over Lucy. And kiss the missing link goodbye... The fossil puts to rest the notion, popular since Darwin's time, that a chimpanzee-like missing link—resembling something between humans and today's apes—would eventually be found at the root of the human family tree. Indeed, the new evidence suggests that the study of chimpanzee anatomy and behavior—long used to infer the nature of the earliest human ancestors—is largely irrelevant to understanding our beginnings... 'This find is far more important than Lucy,' said Alan Walker, a paleontologist from Pennsylvania State University who was not part of the research. 'It shows that the last common ancestor with chimps didn't look like a chimp, or a human, or some funny thing in between... 'All of a sudden you've got fingers and toes and arms and legs and heads and teeth,' said Tim White of the University of California, Berkeley, who co-directed the work with Berhane Asfaw, a paleoanthropologist and former director of the National Museum of Ethiopia, and Giday WoldeGabriel, a geologist at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. 'That allows you to do something you can't do with isolated specimens,' White said. 'It allows you to do biology.'"
Oldest Skeleton of Human Ancestor Found
Furthermore, the ONLY chimp fossil ever discovered (and evolutionists claiming human-chimp shared ancestry have a real problem since the chimp fossils are all otherwise missing) was in the wrong place for the Savannah Hypothesis, meaning the major explanation for why humans and chimps split was completely debunked.
First chimp fossil unearthed | Nature
Then there are microevolutionary rates, which are rapid (like population growth rates) on the scale of a young Creation, and raise the question of why, if a common ancestor to all life and macroevolution are reality, such macroevolution is not observable, only microevolution (not to mention that the deeper one goes back into the fossil record the more one sees the same types of life seen today, even aside from living fossils, rather than the bizarrely random mixes and transitions expected if a common ancestor to all life was a reality). Examples include Australia's toxic toad and Italian wall lizards, which have evolved new organs and appendage changes within decades, not thousands of years as predicted by evolutionists. Nonetheless they have not produced macroevolution but remain identifiable as their Biblical kinds.
My detailed page on the evidence for Creationism will be here.
Creationism - BibleStrength

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Jzyehoshua
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Message 56 of 70 (892109)
02-26-2022 1:04 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by AZPaul3
02-25-2022 10:39 PM


Re: Biblically -Based Phylogeny
I just speak out of conviction to spread truth. Hypothesizing what-if scenarios is an exercise in futility. One should do the best one can at all times.

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Jzyehoshua
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Message 58 of 70 (892112)
02-26-2022 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by PaulK
02-26-2022 1:26 AM


Re: Biblically -Based Phylogeny
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It doesn’t look like it. Until you deal honestly with the fact of transitional fossils - and explain their existence - you aren’t doing that at all.
I don't see any transitional fossils. There are a few rare controversial cases like Tiktaalik that get brought up but the overwhelming majority show microevolution within Biblical kinds and are not even remotely interpretable as between them.
Biblically, transitions are expected within Biblical kinds but not between them, which is what the fossil record shows, microevolution, not macroevolution. Gen. 1 mentioned microevolution thousands of years before Darwin, God told species to bring forth after their kinds. Dinosaurs in Eden (and Satan is a dinosaur/dragon Biblically, not a typical snake - Rev. 12:9) were changed to crawl in the dust, so transitions are expected for them shrinking and changing their hip structure. Humans were changed from more robust 900-year lifespans to 120-year lifespans per Gen. 6:3.
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“Biblically-based phylogeny” is necessarily an exercise in speculation.
More like an exercise in reading comprehension. The basic categories of life, as well as the phylogenous distinctions between them, are clearly stated in Gen. 1. More distinctions are stated in Lev. 11.
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So, start with the fact that evolutionary theory passed the test and many transitional fossils have been discovered.
They haven't been discovered. The fossil record consistently shows long periods of gradual microevolution and then sudden appearance of brand new species. That was the whole reason for creating the theory of Punctuated Equilibrium, to explain the consistent lack of macroevolutionary transitional forms.

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