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Taq Member Posts: 9666 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
sensei writes: If we apply the model of point mutations for neutral DNA with four different bases A, C, G and T, the similarity in junk DNA should drop to 25%. There are GC biases in mutations, but you are essentially right. If there is enough time since common ancestry then the accumulated mutations in each lineage will reduce any similarity to random noise in junk DNA.
If we were sharing a common ancestor with plants and insects, given the estimate that over hundreds of millions of generations have passed (or even more for many species with shorter life cycles), every base should have gone through several mutations already in the vast majority of individuals today. It seems that we share too much DNA with such supposedly distant relatives, it does not really add up. You are forgetting about sequence conservation due to natural selection.
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Taq Member Posts: 9666 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
sensei writes: 95% of your evidence is junk for sure. Your inability to address the evidence is noted.
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sensei Member Posts: 343 Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
And how does natural selection preserve sequences in junk DNA? If sequences were beneficial, it would not be junk, so your excuse is just worthless and hopelessly flawed. Do you have anything better, or is this the best you can do to explain the huge difference between data and model?
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Taq Member Posts: 9666 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
sensei writes: And how does natural selection preserve sequences in junk DNA? It doesn't. It conserves sequence in functional DNA. When genomes of very distantly related species are compared the only bits that have recognizable similarity is functional DNA, not junk DNA.
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sensei Member Posts: 343 Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If 90% is junk and 10% is functional for such distant relatives, then DNA similarity should be around 10% + ¼×90% = 32.5%. Not around 50%.
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Phat Member Posts: 17481 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
There are a lot of science y things that I dont fully understand as I read through these arguments. Perhaps you can Dredge up some insight for me!
First of all, why do you call "them" Darwinoids? Charles Darwin was but one scientist who happened to originate a theory. He is hardly the Einstein or Edison of Biology! Am I wrong?
Dredge writes: Are you suggesting that ole Slew foot messes with peoples heads or are you suggesting that he mixes up the evidence? Satan will not allow the scientific world to take creationism and ID seriously. Our very own dwise1 is one of the EvC members whom I respect and admire. He has a website where he has argued and investigated the claims of Creationists for 37 years. I dont agree with him on everything but I respect him because he respects us. He will take the time to write a detailed lengthy post filled with anecdotes from a life well lived. Furthermore, the God whom I believe exists (through the character of Jesus Christ) is present on this planet today. What many people (especially Authoritarian Catholics and Protestants) would find implausible is the idea that Jesus uses dwise1 to get us to think. God works in mysterious ways, Dredge. Now...what were you saying about "Darwinoids"? ![]()
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Why 1/4 DNA? You are talking DNA? It is ALL DNA: junk + functional.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
My new topic proposal is a model for point mutations in neutral DNA, where mutations do not give benefit or disadvantage to the individual. What conclusions do you draw from this data?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge Member Posts: 2541 From: Australia Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Science is too puny and shallow to even detect Satan's existence.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 8334 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
Off topic
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 7857 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
Science is too puny and shallow to even detect Satan's existence. That is my fault. As we know the human mind is so powerful we can vanquish any gods and their minions to oblivion with a simple thought. I did that to your god ages ago and your satan disappeared along with him. Poof! Science cannot find something that isn't there. All science can do now is note the lack of evidence and conclude that your god and his satan are nowhere to be found and, infact, never were. I know, I took away your pet demon and eating all your jesus-meat crackers hasn't brought him back to you. I realize this makes you sad and lonely. Such is the religious life devoid of reality. That was your choice.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Taq Member Posts: 9666 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
sensei writes: If 90% is junk and 10% is functional for such distant relatives, then DNA similarity should be around 10% + ¼×90% = 32.5%. Not around 50%. Are you referring to the urban legend that humans and bananas share 50% of their DNA? I hope you realize that humans and bananas don't share 50% of their DNA. At best, humans and bananas share 50% of their genes, although that is even questionable. Of the genes that are shared, there are going to be bases that are different. Added in edit: An article worth reading:
quote: Edited by Taq, .
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2415 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Science is too puny and shallow to even detect Satan's existence. So science can't detect supernatural entities, got it. So much for the power of intelligent design then. Mutate and SurviveOn two occasions I have been asked, – "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage
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Dredge Member Posts: 2541 From: Australia Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
APauling666 writes:
aka wilful denial and delusion. But it ain't that powerful ... any fool can do it.
That is my fault. As we know the human mind is so powerful we can vanquish any gods and their minions to oblivion with a simple thought.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2541 From: Australia Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Grumpy Magda writes:
ID claims to detect the existence of demons? I didn't know that.
So much for the power of intelligent design then.
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