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Taq
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Message 541 of 580 (904338)
12-27-2022 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 539 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-25-2022 6:37 PM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
OK, when I said criteria, I mean, the criteria if the change that are happening inside the cell is guided or controlled or manipulated or not, the same way transitions and transversion is needing criteria inside the cell that need numerical limits, as criteria, to explain two scenarios.
It's the same criteria that we use to determine that hydrogen and oxygen spontaneously combine to form water.
There is no nested hierarchy since Evolution is wrong. Nested hierarchy was an invention of Evolution that is not part of reality in Biology, thus, Biological Interrelation cannot invent like fairy tale about something that never existed.
The nested hierarchy was discovered 100 years before the theory of evolution. The nested hierarchy exists whether or not the theory of evolution exists. The nested hierarchy is a fact.
The reason why your inane ramblings aren't worth the bits they are written in is that you can't handle the existence of basic facts. Your theory purposefully ignores reality.

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Taq
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Message 542 of 580 (904340)
12-27-2022 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 540 by MrIntelligentDesign
12-25-2022 6:45 PM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Before Evolution could conclude that an X was following an spontaneous process, first and foremost, Evolution and you must make criteria or limits between

spontaneous guided X
non-spontaneous guided X

and conclude. Please, show how you derive that with experiment.
I have shown how it is done here:
https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=20367
And it is also demonstrated in this paper:
Just a moment...
For example, if Evolution is change in frequency alleles with no control,
There's no such thing as frequency alleles. Please learn how biology works and what the theory of evolutions states.

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Dredge
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Message 543 of 580 (904785)
01-07-2023 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 518 by Taq
11-17-2022 10:35 AM


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Taq writes:
The theory of evolution absolutely can explain why the changes are due to natural mechanisms. 
You forgot to mention that worshippers of evolution can't be trusted to tell the truth - they're con-artists and the snake-oil merchants of the scientific community.

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Message 544 of 580 (904787)
01-07-2023 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 543 by Dredge
01-07-2023 11:50 AM


Dredge writes:
You forgot to mention that worshippers of evolution can't be trusted to tell the truth ....
YOU forget that your IQ is 9, which disqualifies you from recognizing the truth.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 545 of 580 (904788)
01-07-2023 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by MrIntelligentDesign
11-17-2022 8:17 PM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
if you are supporters of Evolution, you either deluded, or fooled by supporters of Evolution or deliberately deny reality, and uphold Evolution as a religion.
The theory of evolution is a mendacious abuse of science and its aim is to deceive as many suckers as possible into believing that life on earth is the result of a known natural process and is not the miraculous work of a divine Creator (aka God).
In other words, ToE is a demonic invention based on fantasy and lies. Ironically, the principal purveyors of ToE are atheists, who don't believe demons exist. Nevertheless, Satan uses these clueless atheist pawns to spread and promote his lies and nonsense.

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Message 546 of 580 (904790)
01-07-2023 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 517 by Tangle
11-17-2022 8:48 AM


What? You're comparing forensic science to the theory of evolution?

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ringo
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Message 547 of 580 (904791)
01-07-2023 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 545 by Dredge
01-07-2023 12:14 PM


Dredge writes:
The theory of evolution is a mendacious abuse of science and its aim is to deceive as many suckers as possible into believing...
Creationism is a mendacious abuse of science and its aim is to deceive as many suckers as possible. "Intelligent Design" is a mendacious attempt to disguise creationism.
Dredge writes:
ToE is a demonic invention based on fantasy and lies.
Demons are a fantasy.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Dredge
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Message 548 of 580 (904792)
01-07-2023 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 523 by AZPaul3
11-17-2022 9:17 PM


APauling666 writes:
You are an intellectual fraud.
Consequently, your conclusions are demonstrably false and your intellectual level is rated at that of the flat earth cultists ... irrationally stunted and observably stupid.
That sounds funny coming from someone who thinks it's scientific to believe that lifeless mud turned into human beings.

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Dredge
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Message 549 of 580 (904793)
01-07-2023 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 524 by Taq
11-18-2022 10:40 AM


Taq writes:
What they found is that observations were consistent with natural processes. You don't have to rule out intelligence if you have evidence for natural processes.
Spoken like a true atheist. Well done.

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Phat
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Message 550 of 580 (904794)
01-07-2023 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by ringo
01-07-2023 12:21 PM


mendacious: Now theres a new word
Thanks for using a word I've not heard before!
Websters Online writes:
Mendacious: : given to or characterized by deception or falsehood or divergence from absolute truth
Of course, my conservative search engine dared to even mention "absolute truth". Lets explore further. (Im using Duck Duck Go by the way)
Websters writes:
Synonyms & Similar Words
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Antonyms & Near Antonyms
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The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894).
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy
Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022
We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed

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Dredge
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Message 551 of 580 (904795)
01-07-2023 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 525 by Taq
11-18-2022 10:58 AM


Taq writes:
We don't have to rule out invisible pink gravity fairies when a planetary orbit perfectly matches the orbit calculated from Newton's and Einstein's formulas.
Comparing astronomy to the ToE is stupidly disingenuous ... and so typically Darwinoid.

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Dredge
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Message 552 of 580 (904796)
01-07-2023 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 527 by Taq
11-21-2022 10:52 AM


Taq writes:
Once you discover a natural cause that is supported by mountains of evidence you accept the natural cause as the best explanation. 
... except no one has discovered a natural cause for the changes in life-forms evident in the fossil record.
All you clowns have is flawed theory based on a far-fetched nineteenth-century idea.

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Message 553 of 580 (904798)
01-07-2023 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 552 by Dredge
01-07-2023 1:06 PM


Sludge writes:
... except no one has discovered a natural cause for the changes in life-forms evident in the fossil record.
Sure they have, but no one has discovered evidence of your imaginary god poofing anything, just a far-fetched bronze age myth made up by a bunch of goat fuckers.
Sludge writes:
All you clowns have is flawed theory based on a far-fetched nineteenth-century idea.
And hundreds of museums and libraries stuffed with supporting evidence for a robust 21st century theory.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 554 of 580 (904799)
01-07-2023 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 550 by Phat
01-07-2023 12:33 PM


Re: mendacious: Now theres a new word
Not conservative.
DuckDuckGo, the free speech search engine that never was - Vox
Just a moment...

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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GDR
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Message 555 of 580 (904805)
01-07-2023 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 545 by Dredge
01-07-2023 12:14 PM


Dredge writes:
The theory of evolution is a mendacious abuse of science and its aim is to deceive as many suckers as possible into believing that life on earth is the result of a known natural process and is not the miraculous work of a divine Creator (aka God).

In other words, ToE is a demonic invention based on fantasy and lies. Ironically, the principal purveyors of ToE are atheists, who don't believe demons exist. Nevertheless, Satan uses these clueless atheist pawns to spread and promote his lies and nonsense.
Quick question Dredge. I'm trying to understand exactly what you do believe. Is it instant creationism, is it a guided evolutionary program or is it intelligent design as per the Discovery Institute? If the latter can you outline your view of that belief.
Also why do you hold that belief in light of your Christian faith?

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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