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LamarkNewAge 
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Message 16 of 81 (890652)
01-09-2022 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by dwise1
01-08-2022 8:08 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
I just remembered something I read, a month ago, that mentioned the false flag theory.

But, I saw, heard, or read nothing about it, since.

However:

I know alot of people who have had various false flag theories, about fairly recent events.

They tend to find their self-annointed critics (Percy would fit the role of the critic - in this situation) extremely ignorant of the relevant historical false flag discussion. They will be very likely to see all-too-many of their critics as - quite simply - not part of any useful informative discussion.

The fact that the critical thinking requirement, to possess certain knowledge of relevant historical facts (with attending theories), is usually not met, by the critics, only contributes massively to the preconceived beliefs & notions of a false-flag promoter's mindset.

That would be my diagnosis of the problem.


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Message 17 of 81 (890665)
01-09-2022 3:01 PM
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01-09-2022 1:27 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
They will be very likely to see all-too-many of their critics as - quite simply - not part of any useful informative discussion.

That describes how I see almost everything you write, as - quite simply - not part of any useful informative discussion, primarily because I cannot decipher most of what you write into coherent thoughts.

I don't understand why you are on a false-flag rant in this particular thread. I didn't understand Percy as asking for help translating what his relative says, but rather for any way to communicate with him in a rational manner.

I can't tell from what you have written whether you think the January 6, 2021 insurrection, was some sort of false flag event or not.

Please just answer this question, do you think it was a false flag event or not? I am not interested in hearing about or discussing any other false flag incidents from the past.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 18 of 81 (890676)
01-09-2022 4:01 PM
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01-09-2022 3:01 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
I know little to nothing about any sort of FBI infiltration concerning the Jan 6 riots. I doubt that anyone, pre Jan 6, would have guessed what we NOW know about the spontaneous incident. It is always nice to have that good old "20/20" hindsight.

I suspect that the FBI had no reason to infiltrate a Presidential rally on January 6.

Having undercover agents is a 100% prerequisite for any sort of false flag operation.

BUT ISN'T THE CONSPIRACY THEORY OF THE DAY...

...the one that claims Trump called for bloody violence in the January 6 speech?

(With additional embellishments surrounding some sort of Trump/Bannon led attempt to overthrow the government)

(Right?)


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Message 19 of 81 (890678)
01-09-2022 4:09 PM
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01-09-2022 3:01 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
I have been quite vocal in battling the disgraceful conspiracy theories, surrounding the Jan 6 incident.

Yes, I am bragging.

But it is only bragging when it is true.

(I know how to read, so I know the theories are pure crap. Trump called for "peaceful" protests)

(I want Democrats to loose the loss they deserve for using Jan 6 to literally end the constitutional right to free speech)

The Jan 6 aftermath has been the most dangerous assault on freedom that I have every seen.

I probably will be fighting hard to defeat the fascist Democratic party for a long time. I have alot of progressive friends who are scared to death at the 2021 Democratic party. Many are about to cast a vote for Republicans when just the thought of voting GOP seemed as unlikely as ever, in 2020.

Freedom is on the line.

Choice:

Freedom...

or fascism?


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Message 20 of 81 (890679)
01-09-2022 4:15 PM
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01-09-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
Having undercover agents is a 100% prerequisite for any sort of false flag operation.

OK, never mind. I thought a false flag event was when one group of perpetrators pretends to be the opposing group of rioters to throw suspicion on the group they are pretending to be. Like a couple thousand blacks pretending to be white supremists.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 21 of 81 (890681)
01-09-2022 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by LamarkNewAge
01-09-2022 4:09 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
I didn't ask about any of that.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 22 of 81 (890682)
01-09-2022 4:43 PM
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01-09-2022 4:15 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
I have personally known of non-Christian individuals to infiltrate (perhaps I should put infiltrate in quotes) certain right-wing meetings.

I also read of ADL members making a big scene, while pretending to be Christian gun-nuts.

The Anti Deflamation League has a page, online, about Alex Jones. The ADL seems to admit that he is not anti-semitic, but they did make note of his comment that there were probably Jewish individuals pretending to be right-wingers at Charlottesville, during the deadly event.

The communists had a term called something like, mover-upers. People who faked to be a believer in a party, that they secretly opposed. Western governments used the same term. Australia had tough laws against fifth columnists. Even if they were peaceful pro-western democratic party infiltrators.

This sort of thing is quite typical.

It can count as a "false flag", but one must learn details.


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Message 23 of 81 (890683)
01-09-2022 4:46 PM


Entryism has been a common tactic
Western governments passed laws against such.

Entryism

(I incorrectly said "mover-uppers")


  
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Message 24 of 81 (890684)
01-09-2022 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by LamarkNewAge
01-09-2022 4:43 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
Like I said, never mind. None of that is what I asked about

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 25 of 81 (890686)
01-09-2022 9:56 PM


John Sullivan: "Let's burn this shit down" Politico admits
Look up John Sullivan.

On January 6, he is caught on video, charging into the capital and egging the protesters on.

He lied about being a reporter, when initially questioned.

(I just discovered this, after I struggled to find the John Birvh Society magazine. THE NEW AMERICAN.)

(I had to do about 20 google searches to find the magazine)

The New American article linked to a Politico page, where they had to admit to mistakes in the earlier " fact check".

I still do not subscribe to a "false flag" theory, but the fakers were involved, for deception and high hopes for a spectacle.


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Message 26 of 81 (890687)
01-09-2022 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by LamarkNewAge
01-09-2022 9:56 PM


Re: John Sullivan: "Let's burn this shit down" Politico admits
So you think this is some kind of significant evidence that trump and his corrupt GOP puppets in Congress didn't incite and support the fucking insurrection?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 27 of 81 (890688)
01-09-2022 11:48 PM
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01-09-2022 11:24 PM


Re: John Sullivan: "Let's burn this shit down" Politico admits
Those who can read know Trump called for a peaceful protest.

Your fascist mind seems to make you think reading is somehow outlawed.

Your ilk terrorised Mark Zuckerberg into censoring Facebook. Google has went to shit, like the former Library of Alexandria.

As long as people can read, you loose, on the Jan 6 issue. I just hope our freedoms survive.

BUT

BUT

BUT

We were talking about the harmless false flag theory of Jan 6, not your fascist delusion which threatens us all.

What were we discussing?

The academic issue of false flags?

Or your loaded fascist accusations, that have endless censorship & imprisonment interlaced?

(I just remembered; fascists like you see false flag theorists as criminals, right?)

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 28 of 81 (890689)
01-10-2022 12:06 AM
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01-09-2022 11:48 PM


Re: John Sullivan: "Let's burn this shit down" Politico admits
So I can see from your reaction that the answer is YES! you think this is some kind of significant evidence that trump and his corrupt GOP puppets in Congress didn't incite and support the fucking insurrection.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 29 of 81 (890690)
01-10-2022 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Tanypteryx
01-10-2022 12:06 AM


Re: LamarckNewAge
We may be too late for any of us to conduct an intervention program on LNA. He has left the building of reason & objective evidence and all he does now is regurgitate bizarre fantasies of what has happened since - oh, i dunno - the Dark Days of Joe McCarthy in the world of US politics. We keep checking the bottoms of our shoes to see if we stepped in it.

EvC should just return to shunning his posts.

Sad.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 30 of 81 (890699)
01-10-2022 8:44 AM
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01-10-2022 12:50 AM


Re: LamarckNewAge
Yeah, it is sad.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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