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Topic: Do you have Questions for a Gnostic Christian?
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jar
Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 61 of 150 (890542)
01-07-2022 4:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by PaulK
01-07-2022 4:19 PM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Not fair. Come on; Phat has never been exposed to any of the basics of the Abrahamic/Masoretic traditions. Officer Krupke would understand. Edited by jar, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge
Member Posts: 2497 Joined: 12-22-2015
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
What about Cyrus, from 2 Isaiah?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18528 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.8
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Message 63 of 150 (890657)
01-09-2022 2:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by PaulK
01-07-2022 4:19 PM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Saul was annointed an earthly king by humans. Jesus was officially anointed through baptism by John the Baptist and as the story goes was verified through God Himself. Jesus knew no sin. Saul had plenty of em.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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jar
Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 64 of 150 (890661)
01-09-2022 2:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 63 by Phat
01-09-2022 2:39 PM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
You have never read the Bible Phat. Jesus took money from the commune/collective and spent it on luxuries for himself. Jesus vandalized and destroyed others property.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18528 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.8
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Message 65 of 150 (890664)
01-09-2022 3:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 64 by jar
01-09-2022 2:54 PM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
You have never understood the Bible. The fact that you attack and criticize Jesus Christ, the central character and in fact the closest to GOD with your purposeful slander prevents you from being a serious teacher worth anything. Jesus never spent money on Himself in any way not allowed. Who gets to police the "common treasury"? Who did it belong to? And what's ironic is that this same scenario of what belongs to "everybody" vs what belongs to a given individual will be one of the outright outrageous attempts by a liberal government to steal from the people. It figures that you would start by attacking Jesus.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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jar
Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 66 of 150 (890666)
01-09-2022 3:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Phat
01-09-2022 3:01 PM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Phat writes: Jesus never spent money on Himself in any way not allowed. Who gets to police the "common treasury"? Who did it belong to? The common treasury belonged to everyone in the commune/cooperative, not to any single individual. The property he destroyed belonged to the owners of the stalls.
Phat writes: And what's ironic is that this same scenario of what belongs to "everybody" vs what belongs to a given individual will be one of the outright outrageous attempts by a liberal government to steal from the people. It figures that you would start by attacking Jesus. And once again you simply present another unsupported assertion without any evidence or reasoned argument. I did not attack Jesus but simply pointed out yet again what is actually written in the Bible stories. Edited by jar, : No reason given.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17876 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 67 of 150 (890677)
01-09-2022 4:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 63 by Phat
01-09-2022 2:39 PM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
quote:
Saul was annointed an earthly king by humans. Jesus was officially anointed through baptism by John the Baptist and as the story goes was verified through God Himself.
Baptism is not anointment. Water is not oil. Try again.
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Greatest I am
Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: 01-24-2007
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
"What about Cyrus, from 2 Isaiah?" Jesus was at issue, not Cyrus. Regards DL
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Greatest I am
Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 69 of 150 (890706)
01-10-2022 9:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 63 by Phat
01-09-2022 2:39 PM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Baptism is not anointing to Christ. I am surprised you would see them as the same. Regards DL
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jar
Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 5.0
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
I'm surprised you are not familiar with the Rite of Baptism when the infant is washed clean with water and then sealed by anointing with oil. From the Rite of Baptism in the Book of Common Prayer.
Consecration of the Chrism performed by a Bishop; Eternal Father, whose blessed Son was anointed by the Holy Spirit to be the Savior and servant of all, we pray you to consecrate this oil, that those who are sealed with it may share in the royal priesthood of Jesus Christ; who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, for ever and ever. Amen. The priest after washing the individual then seals the individual with the sign of the cross on the persons forehead using the consecrated oil.
The Baptism Each candidate is presented by name to the Celebrant, or to an assisting priest or deacon, who then immerses, or pours water upon, the candidate, saying N., I baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Holy Baptism 307 When this action has been completed for all candidates, the Bishop or Priest, at a place in full sight of the congregation, prays over them, saying Let us pray. Heavenly Father, we thank you that by water and the Holy Spirit you have bestowed upon these your servants the forgiveness of sin, and have raised them to the new life of grace. Sustain them, O Lord, in your Holy Spirit. Give them an inquiring and discerning heart, the courage to will and to persevere, a spirit to know and to love you, and the gift of joy and wonder in all your works. Amen. Then the Bishop or Priest places a hand on the person's head, marking on the forehead the sign of the cross [using Chrism if desired] and saying to each one N., you are sealed by the Holy Spirit in Baptism and marked as Christ's own for ever. Amen. Or this action may be done immediately after the administration of the water and before the preceding prayer. When all have been baptized, the Celebrant says Let us welcome the newly baptized. Celebrant and People We receive you into the household of God. Confess the faith of Christ crucified, proclaim his resurrection, and share with us in his eternal priesthood. While Jesus might not have been anointed, I certainly was.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 584 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 71 of 150 (890726)
01-10-2022 11:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Phat
01-09-2022 3:01 PM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Phat writes: Who gets to police the "common treasury"?
It isn't about "policing" anything. You're trying to use legality to weasel out of morality.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Phat
Member Posts: 18528 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.8
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Message 72 of 150 (890732)
01-10-2022 12:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by ringo
01-10-2022 11:30 AM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Are you thus saying that Jesus was immoral? It's amazing how satan uses you to twist scripture.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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ringo
Member (Idle past 584 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 73 of 150 (890733)
01-10-2022 12:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 72 by Phat
01-10-2022 12:05 PM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Phat writes: Are you thus saying that Jesus was immoral?
I said that YOU are confusing legality with morality. There was no legal framework in Jesus' community. Misuse of community funds was a moral issue, not a legal one.
Phat writes: It's amazing how satan uses you to twist scripture.
Feel free to show anything that I have twisted. The only satan is within you.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17876 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 5.5
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Message 74 of 150 (890734)
01-10-2022 12:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by jar
01-10-2022 10:05 AM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
That’s an answer worthy of the Christian Cult of Ignorance. Anglican baptism practices are not the question. The practices of John the Baptist is the question. Feel free to provide evidence that John the Baptist included anointment as part of his baptism. Or better that he did so specifically - and only - for Jesus.
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jar
Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 75 of 150 (890739)
01-10-2022 1:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 74 by PaulK
01-10-2022 12:43 PM
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Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
I can't and if you actually read what I wrote you would have known that. Learn to read.
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