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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Exactly. Couldnt of said it better myself. The rich rob everybody else in a sense. What ringo either fails to understand or doesnt care about is that the working middle class are stuck with the added burden of lifting up the poor. It seems unfair for us to bear this burden and does not help us. Granted Jesus may applaud us giving it all up but making the middle class poorer does NOT help everybody.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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You keep claiming that social support programs make the middle class poorer but as always never provide any evidence or reasoned arguments to support your assertions.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
What ringo either fails to understand or doesnt care about is that the working middle class are stuck with the added burden of lifting up the poor. How is this so? What makes you think only the middle class are burdened with this? Apparently, the rich don't want to help and, from your attitude, neither does the middle. So what do we do? Let the poor stay destitute? Throw their lives to the wolves (the rich and middle)?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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We're so lucky to live in the United States because here the homeless are not allowed in places where they can be an annoyance. It's not like India where the homeless and their accumulated detritus are gathered into cardboard structures leaning against the base of the apartment buildings of the middle class where the smell of their excrement wafts up to the floors above. It's so much more pleasant here where the messy consequences of our callousness are hidden away and we can live our lives without thinking about those less fortunate than ourselves.
Granted Jesus may applaud us giving it all up but making the middle class poorer does NOT help everybody. What is the point of believing in God and Jesus if you're only going to end up in hell anyway? --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It isn't that I "fail to understand". I flat-out deny it. It's a bloody lie that the rich tell you while they're stealing your eyeballs.
What ringo either fails to understand or doesnt care about is that the working middle class are stuck with the added burden of lifting up the poor. Phat writes:
Who's this "us"? YOU are the only one here complaining about a "burden". Practically everybody here is as middle class as you and they're all trying to tell you that you're being deceived by the right wing.
It seems unfair for us to bear this burden and does not help us. Phat writes:
It isn't about "applause". It's about heaven and hell. Granted Jesus may applaud us giving it all up... I think I have mentioned this before: My father used to say that we make our own heaven and hell on earth. You're content with making life hell for the poor.
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Think of the money you would save on welfare. Think of the money you would save on policing. Think of the money you would save on addiction programs. ... but making the middle class poorer does NOT help everybody. Helping the poor is an investment, not a burden."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Well ringo you *do* make sense. I really shouldnt have any animosity but what riles me up in general about the urban poor apart from the fact that so many of them steal from the store I work at(is)the perception that times are getting worse...and not. just economically but in terms of human behavior.
This bothers me and is not simply a political issue that can be fixed through funding!If human disrespect and callous disregard for their fellow man is bad now, how much worse could it be if times get tougher? Every time a cartful of boostable products go out our doors I see less chance of a needed cost of living increase for the workers. And i cant help being irritated by the shoplifters...they could care less about employee livlihood. When i was growing up we were always taught to respect the system rather than attempt to destroy it!! Of course the Lord has me imagine seeing life through the street peoples eyes. Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Phat writes: Well ringo you *do* make sense. I really shouldnt have any animosity but what riles me up in general about the urban poor apart from the fact that so many of them steal from the store I work at(is)the perception that times are getting worse...and not. just economically but in terms of human behavior. You've changed your story with this blame of the urban poor. A couple weeks ago it was "drug addicts and blatant criminals" (Message 27). I don't think you have any idea of the situation of the people stealing from your store. Blatant criminals are not stealing from your store and then fencing groceries. Drug addicts have problems separate from poverty. If the only reason the urban poor are stealing from your store and not the urban rich, then the best way to make it stop is to address their poverty. Get them assistance and jobs. Behave like a Christian and give them a helping hand instead of the back of your hand. --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You unionized workers at Safeway are already making more than the workers doing the same job at non-unionized stores. And they're making more than the people who can't get a decent job or a decent place to live. And yet, you claim to "need" a cost-of-living increase. Why should people care about your livelihood when it's already so much better than their own?
Every time a cartful of boostable products go out our doors I see less chance of a needed cost of living increase for the workers. And i cant help being irritated by the shoplifters...they could care less about employee livlihood. Phat writes:
It can be improved through funding. This bothers me and is not simply a political issue that can be fixed through funding!"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
If human disrespect and callous disregard for their fellow man is bad now, how much worse could it be if times get tougher? Irony?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Past UNFairness Can Never Be undone.
But back to basic Christianity and what it teaches. Humans are fallible. As a Christian we are required to honestly evaluate our past behavior, acknowledge when we have both done wrong and NOT done what was right. But wait; there's more. We are then expected to try our best first to make amends (fix what we broke) and to make sure we do not continue to repeat bad past behavior. It's not God's job to grow the wheat, harvest the crops, build and fill the granaries and feed the people. It was the Government that was mandated to direct the job and the people to do the work. And there is still yet more!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not even God's job to make sure the weather is nice to grow the crops. It's the Government's job to organize the population to make use of everything favorable and to set aside a surplus for those times when the weather sucks and the economy sucks and things go wrong. We need to make amends and reparations and set asides and ... As a Christian it is YOUR job, duty, obligation.My Website: My Website
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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...what riles me up in general about the urban poor apart from the fact that so many of them steal ... What did you expect from the abused serfs? How much poorer can they get after generations of systemic poverty? How much more abuse do you require they suffer? The coming strife will not free them or us. Just change our masters. For now, I understand the loyal employee thing you are involved in. Theft is not good for the bottom line goes the mantra. Nor is human suffering so deep and pervasive it makes people steal. Right now retailers write off inventory shrinkage without any impact on the CEO's $100 million annual bonus. It really doesn't impact that level of business at all. And this, I should think, would please you. It seems the christian thing to do. If your employer can be so forgiving, at least at the higher levels, you should be as well, right? Matthew 6:25, Psalm 68:3 Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
It likely cuts in to the hours allowed for us. Which affects MY Bottom line!
Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Phat writes:
It likely cuts in to the hours allowed for us. You'll have to explain this. Slowly for us rubes."I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I guess the more they steal the less he has to stock. Or something.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Watch this quick video from the news about the types of shoplifters we see every day!
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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