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Theodoric Member Posts: 8495 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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As Phat likes to post links to videos from every random nutjob, here is an actual economist talking about the dollar.
This is a gift link so you can access it.Opinion | Is the U.S. Dollar Really in Danger? - The New York Times quote: Yeah ever notice that the doom and gloomers are always trying to sell something.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 17619 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I noted his information, but do not take it as truth....just informed opinion. We are in a war of ideologies and money itself is being tugged back and forth. One side wants government control of it while my side wants freedom to us it apart from what the government deems to be the standard
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nwr Member Posts: 6324 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.4
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We are in a war of ideologies and money itself is being tugged back and forth. Money itself is nothing. Money is just a token that represents value. And value depends on the culture. A problem for conservatives, is that they tend to emphasize money itself, instead of understanding that it the represented value that is important.--> -->Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity <-- <--
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Theodoric Member Posts: 8495 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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Now that was a bullshit nonresponse
You epitomize the mindset of people my father warned me about. quote: What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 8495 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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You ever figure out what the G7 is? Care to explain what your comment about the G7 was supposed to mean? Or are you going to just ignore it and revive another zombie thread?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 17619 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Now I have more time to actually read with comprehension, rather than shooting from the hip and reacting in the one hour I have before work every day!
![]() Theodoric writes: In my defense, the people whom I listen to are not nutjobs. I will give ground to Krugman, however. (He even talks about two of them--Robert Kiyosaki and Peter Schiff.) As Phat likes to post links to videos from every random nutjob, here is an actual economist talking about the dollar.Krugman then goes on to provide a link to Whatever happened to the inflation “Weimarists”? (Dan Indiviglio from Reuters) which I read. This was a 2013 article. quote: Now, we are seeing the ramping up of inflation, though even our "Weimarist" Schiff now sees disinflation happening rapidly while prices are still high. The money supply expansion since COVID has evaporated (according to him) and we are now poised between two extremes...more inflation or deflation. The FED is indeed navigating between two narrow cliffs and is searching for an exit.Krugman also quotes Robert Kiyosaki: Robert Kiyosaki Says 'America Is Dying' — Warns of Hyperinflation, Death of US Dollar and I must admit, these articles are reflective of the "random nutjob" videos you claim that I listen to. A week ago when I accessed your link, I was in so much of a hurry that I reacted without having read the article or the links thoroughly. Krugman then goes on to say: NYTimes Opinion: Krugman does appear rational and has heard the same arguments that I have bought into. The debt ceiling comment has me thinking. Some commentators have said that it is purely symbolic..and that the debt ceiling MUST be raised each time the issue comes up. I agree that only a clueless politician would challenge that necessity. I could only see the Republicans doing that in order to fight what they see as extremism regarding green energy versus hard asset energy such as natural gas and oil. That will likely be a major political talking point in the next elections.
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Phat Member Posts: 17619 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
My comments regarding the G7 were also reactionary, but they were based on Macron cozy-ing up to China and seemingly relegating the US to second place...a move which I saw ass a threat to future G7 stability. Make no mistake: China is not our friend...they are a hard nosed competitor who would have no problem upending our dominance. (regardless of how it hurts the US middle class)
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8055 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 3.0
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(regardless of how it hurts the US middle class) What about the chinese middle class? They are the rising stars in this world. Do they not deserve any largess from their labors?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 17619 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Of course they do, but the Chinese Communist Party wont simply share the benefits equally. Thats why I support Shen Yun. They know all too well what the CCP is all about.
Don't tell me that your liberally brainwashed mind actually approves of Chinese Communism. Do some research.
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Phat Member Posts: 17619 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
nwr writes: There is no "one" culture. A cultural group has an ideology within that group, but does not necessarily speak for ALL groups--even if they happen to be in power at the moment. Liberals might suggest that the value of the money is based on what voters want "it" to do. Conservatives may argue that the market determines the value. And the market plays no favorites. If we have a Trillion dollars in the till and your ideology mandates spending it on green energy, my ideology may protest that government is overextending its reach by socking everyone with a common bill. What if I cant afford a new electric car? What if I agree with green energy in principle but do not agree with the pace by which it is being implemented?
Money is just a token that represents value. And value depends on the culture. nwr writes: And what if we don't agree on what we should spend it on or what is or is not valuable? It is not ever a group decision when it affects ones private funds above taxation. A problem for conservatives, is that they tend to emphasize money itself, instead of understanding that it the represented value that is important. And if anyone disagrees, how can you get mad at debt limit obstructionists who believe that eternally raising the debt limit is not in their best interests?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 8495 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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You do realize it is a cult, don't you?
Falun Gong - RationalWiki What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8055 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 3.0
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Don't tell me that your liberally brainwashed mind actually approves of Chinese Communism. No approval or disapproval. China is a fact on the ground and will be a big part of this planet's future political and economic structure for a long time to come. You fear the rising wealth of chinese society. You see them not as the vicious capitalist competitors they have become (trained by our example) but as enemies to make war against. Economic jealousy. Yeah, that's good for world stability.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 17619 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You are as bad or worse than I am! You rapidly google one thing and if it agrees with your political views anyway, you run with it.
Shen Yun is not a cult. Besides, I've heard that Leftism is a Cult!
6 Ways Leftism Acts Like A Religion The Federalist: See how easy that is?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 8495 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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But what that claims is not true. Leftism(whatever that means) is not a cult by any stretch of any definition of the word. Falun Gong and it's offshoots do.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 8495 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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Just read your source. Lol.
The Federalist? Really? The author is a d list video producer with seemingly no expertise in politics or religion. But most strikingly he never accuses leftism of being a cult but rather a religion. Also, he seems to think a religion is a cult before it grows up to be a religion. Seemingly you agree with this guy's argument. At no point does he posit that leftism is a cult. Did you read his screed? Or just find a title you thought would support your nutbaggery. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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