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Message 26 of 99 (885874)
04-28-2021 10:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 25 by robertleva
04-28-2021 10:35 AM

robert writes:
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With that in mind can someone please explain to me why on earth I would ever listen to the arguments of some random unqualified poster on a forum like this?
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Because you claimed "I've seen those types, the so called "champions of atheism", be hilariously destroyed in public debates by Lennox for example"
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Which should make it really easy for you. With the exception of Phat we're pretty much rationalists here, we WILL change our minds if there is such strong evidence that people like Dawkins, Hitch, Dennet etc are so easily 'destroyed' by it.
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Message 32 of 99 (885914)
04-28-2021 5:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 27 by robertleva
04-28-2021 1:04 PM

robert writes:
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How could it be easy for me if Lennox does nothing for you?
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Don't blame me or Lennox, you over-sold the story that he 'destroyed' Dawkins and Hitch. I've watched the Dawkins video and I started watching Hitch. He destroys neither. Both use the same arguments and get the same response and counter arguments that have been used for decades.
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No new info will be presented from either side, so there is no rational reason to justify:
Certainly there'll be no new arguments for the 'Christ lives!' side, there can't be. But science and society will continue to whittle away at your silly ideas until you're pretty much invisible. This has been happening for a long time now.
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2. The discussions themselves are divisive and toxic
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I thought that they were particularly well mannered and intelligent. I accept that you hate the entire process of debate and discussion but that's just your prejudice.
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and are yet another vehicle for the enemy to spread hate and discord
Conventional, medaeval religious bollox.
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All I can do is deliver the following message: All you need to do is accept Christ. This message is open to literally anyone of any creed faith orientation / anything. For those who refuse to hear, I give them my prayers and let almighty God do His work.
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Take it to your church.
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Message 34 of 99 (885923)
04-29-2021 5:11 AM

And now I've watched the Hitch/Lennox.
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Not only does Lennox not destroy Hitch, Hitch talks Lennox out of the argument who really just has to return again and again to the Phat and Faith defence of "I don't care what you say, this is what I believe".
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 42 of 99 (885936)
04-29-2021 9:12 AM 		Reply to: Message 37 by PaulK
04-29-2021 8:24 AM

Re: I Will Give My Honest Opinion After Watching
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Dawkins fails to impress ME
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And me. He should stick to biology. I was very impressed with the Selfish Gene back in the day. At least he managed to stir the hornet's nest.
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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 59 of 99 (886020)
05-02-2021 2:26 PM 		Reply to: Message 58 by Percy
05-02-2021 9:07 AM

I think you just killed your forum Percy
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 71 of 99 (886075)
05-05-2021 7:52 AM 		Reply to: Message 69 by marc9000
05-05-2021 7:42 AM

marc9000 writes:
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Now, beginning only in the past few decades, and ramping up drastically in only the past few years, we're seeing an increasing hostility and intolerance towards conservative free speech.
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You're confused. No one has to tolerate another's speech.
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For months now, Donald Trump has been banned from Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, and Snapchat. This forum's longtime poster Faith, was permanently banned, not for breaking forum rules or vulgar language, but for having an opinion on something that administration deemed "dangerous".
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Banning people from private platforms for breaking the rules of the owners of those platforms is not an attack on free speech.
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Within the law, Trump can go into the park and shout whatever lies he likes, he can make his own communications platform and post what he likes. He has no right to be on Twitter or Facebook and break their T&Cs.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 81 of 99 (886087)
05-05-2021 11:12 AM 		Reply to: Message 74 by Phat
05-05-2021 8:32 AM

Re: Bias is unavoidable?
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many populist conservatives thought that he was shut down by a liberally leaning media.
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I'm sure they do and nothing will change their minds. Yet in fact all that happened was he broke the T&Cs of the media platforms and was lucky to have been tolerated for so long.
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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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