Lennox makes points (here and in some other amazing debates you should watch vs Hitchens) that get no rebuttal:
-Something from nothing -fine tuning everywhere we look for it -way too many nice to haves, not just the bare minimums needed for life -evolution is actually just stacking more improbability on the already astounding improbability of the something from nothing "explanation" currently given -evolution's mechanism is incremental change, but the DNA molecule cannot be improved upon incrementally
Ok but would you care to rebut any of those above listed points?
Here I will throw on a few others issues I have had rattling around for a while since were at it:
-Entropy runs contrary to naturally organizing lifeforms -"Primordial soup" that naturally occurring origins of life story we were all taught has been debunked -sea floor spreading doesn't create any cracks in hard rock that spreads out over thousands of miles -the earth's mantle is solid and prevents "subduction" of the plates
I think I see where the thread is going so I will try to summarize / predict the overall outcome:
Dawkins fails to convince the faithful. Lennox fails to convince the unfaithful.
The above two points must surely be taken for granted.
With that in mind can someone please explain to me why on earth I would ever listen to the arguments of some random unqualified poster on a forum like this? I maintain it is completely pointless to debate such concepts in a forum like this. I understand its EvC but I don't have to like it or agree with the pre-baked in conflict that this board creates.
These types of low-level debates add nothing to the larger discussion, thus only serve to create division and discord between both sides. We are not Dawkins and Lennox level thinkers. It's time to get realistic about that and stop arguing with each other.
quote:Which should make it really easy for you. With the exception of Phat we're pretty much rationalists here, we WILL change our minds if there is such strong evidence that people like Dawkins, Hitch, Dennet etc are so easily 'destroyed' by it.
How could it be easy for me if Lennox does nothing for you? Look I fully admit my inability to convince people of things. It really is not even my place to be having these types of discussions because:
1. No new info will be presented from either side, so there is no rational reason to justify: 2. The discussions themselves are divisive and toxic and are yet another vehicle for the enemy to spread hate and discord
All I can do is deliver the following message: All you need to do is accept Christ. This message is open to literally anyone of any creed faith orientation / anything. For those who refuse to hear, I give them my prayers and let almighty God do His work.