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drlove Member (Idle past 955 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Do we know that it will go one for decades? The latest variant apparently is far less severe.
In fact it is being recommended that travel restrictions against the unvaccinated be removed! "The World Health Organisation (WHO) on Wednesday said vaccination status should not be used to disqualify people from travelling internationally and governments should only use vaccine mandates as a “last resort”. COVID vaccines: WHO says vaccine mandates should be last resort amid Djokovic row
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drlove Member (Idle past 955 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Trust the drug companies for honest results? That is hard to do when we are dealing with known liars. Didn't the lead Dr in the US get accused of lying under oath?
So why would anyone believe the so called reasons they give for having to change their story? New docs show Dr. Fauci has been keeping us from the truth on COVID New docs show Dr. Fauci has been keeping us from the truth on COVID They say whatever seems convenient for that side of their mouth that day apparently.Trump Slammed the W.H.O. Over Coronavirus. He’s Not Alone. (Published 2020) Opinion | World Health Coronavirus Disinformation Italy prosecutors: WHO exec lied about spiked virus report An infamous WHO tweet saying there was 'no clear evidence' COVID-19 could spread between humans was posted for 'balance' to reflect findings from China Then there is the matter of WHO making false statements to achieve a goal of theirs. example:The WHO’s decision to adopt the generic identifier ‘ swine flu’ was arguably a noble one, intended to avoid damage to the Mexican economy. It did, however, result in a raft of unintended consequences that rapidly revealed the decision was a mistake. Indeed, within weeks of the descriptor being applied, approximately 20 per cent of the WHO’s member states implemented a series of measures that exceeded, and thereby contravened, international norms (Davies et al. 2015). In late April 2009, for example, the Egyptian government ordered the mass culling of all pigs throughout the country (estimated to be between 250,000 and 400,000 animals) as a ‘preventative measure’, despite the fact that no human cases of H1N1 had been recorded in Egypt nor any reported outbreaks of H1N1 had occurred in pigs worldwide (Katz and Fischer 2010). Within days, the Iraqi government followed Egypt’s lead and ordered the culling of three boars in a Baghdad zoo (Karadesh 2009). Added to this, some 20 other countries including Russia, the Philippines, Indonesia, Bahrain and China imposed trade import bans on all live pigs, pork and pork products, citing concerns over the risk that H1N1 may be introduced into their respective human populations (Lynn 2009; WTO 2009; Katz and Fischer 2010)." What Went Wrong? The World Health Organization from Swine Flu to Ebola The WHO is involved with killing babies. So basically they are mass murderers. Thinking they might also lie is no great surprise! I notice it was Fauci who announced the US was back in the gung ho baby slaughter business.Fauci: US to repeal anti-abortion rule on aid and join Covax vaccine scheme | Biden administration | The Guardian Is it any wonder that those lying murderers are not believed by many people? Edited by drlove, : No reason given.Edited by drlove, : No reason given. Edited by drlove, : No reason given. Edited by drlove, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9559 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
drlove writes: Trust the drug companies for honest results? Oxford University is not a drug company. Can you provide any evidence at all - any - that the AZ COVID vaccine has not been properly tested. Any?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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drlove Member (Idle past 955 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Can you show that all death and adverse effects of vaccines are properly attributed and reported? I do not think you can. If someone dies from a heart attack or has some neurological condition is this all deemed a result of the vaccines? No.
Who tests the vaccine? Ha " Pfizer and BioNTech leveraged decades of scientific expertise to design and execute a rigorous Phase 3 clinical trial program to make the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine available as quickly and safely as possible. Today, we are continuing to evaluate data from this landmark trial" Coronavirus COVID-19 Vaccine Update: Latest Developments | Pfizer So here are the people we are supposed to trust! "Pfizer has faced thousands of lawsuits filed for medical injuries caused by some of its most popular drugs. It has also set a record for the largest fine paid for a health care fraud lawsuit filed by the U.S. Department of Justice. Pfizer paid $2.3 billion in fines, penalties, and settlement for illegal marketing claims." Pfizer - History of Pfizer, Products & Legal Claims Not trusting them is 'not science'? Edited by drlove, : No reason given.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2320 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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Give us the scientific method that says experiment on kids and others with any sort of shortcuts you want to take?
you've yet to name any shortcuts taken, any regulations bypassed. Of course this is because you're full of shit.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8630 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Way to go trying to obfuscate the point.
And, besides your lies, the Aussies have their own house in order. https://www.news.com.au/.../8f95d482648af8a5d8c4c8a3e614052dEschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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drlove Member (Idle past 955 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
The ten year thing? Also, the thing where a drug company with thousands of legal cases against them is in charge of the testing? That is your idea of science?
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drlove Member (Idle past 955 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
No more than Hitler had his house in order.
Below are a few of the doctors saying that lockdowns are the wrong way to go." Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USADr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, EnglandDr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, GermanyDr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, EnglandDr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, GermanyDr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, ScotlandDr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, EnglandDr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, EnglandDr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, EnglandDr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA.Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, IndiaDr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USADr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USATom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England"Great Barrington Declaration They join 916,000 others in that opinion, and that is just one site! Let's not pretend science says we need lockdowns. Edited by drlove, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9559 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
drlove writes: Not trusting them is 'not science'? I'll ask again as you seem to have missed my question. Oxford University is not a drug company. Can you provide any evidence at all - any - that the AZ COVID vaccine has not been properly tested. Any?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9559 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
drlove writes: No more than Hitler had his house in order. It's always best to keep Hitler out of discussions that don't concern the him. Otherwise people will think that you're a boring and stupid troll. God forbid eh?
Below are a few of the doctors saying that lockdowns are the wrong way to go. Well I clicked on the only link you provided just to see what particular lie you're attempting to spread with this latest list you've copied from you Russian controller's collection of propaganda.
quote: I think that this is worthy of debate. Lockdowns are very balanced decisions and their usefulness now is less obvious than before vaccines. But to prevent the thread disappearing into a Gish Gallop of multiple unrelated assertions, why not open a thread to discuss it properly?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8630 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Below are a few of the doctors saying that lockdowns are the wrong way to go. No one seems to care. Your declaration has been out more than a year and has not influenced the global or national discussions at all.
They join 916,000 others in that opinion... You want to say these are all knowledgeable scientists in immunology? Fact is 800,000 of these signatures are from the general public, not scientists. And of the remainder very few have any background in infectious disease let alone biology in general.
quote:Wiki Your Great Barrington Declaration and Petition is known farce. Another lie from the forked tongue of right-wing devils trying to burn society. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9426 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
It is not based on science. Enough said.
quote: Great Barrington Declaration - Wikipedia How much more shit do you have to throw against the wall? Your Gish Gallop is not workingWhat can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2320 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
The ten year thing? What specific FDA regulation mandates a 10 year period before a vaccine is released to the public?
Also, the thing where a drug company with thousands of legal cases against them is in charge of the testing?
if we prevented all drug companies who have legal cases against them from developing new drugs we wouldn't have new drugs. Do you have any evidence that the people involved in the development of the vaccines were involved in any malfeasance?It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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drlove Member (Idle past 955 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Can you show how the blind aspect of the test was done? To have a group monitored that was unvaccinated as compared to a vaccinated group, can you guarantee all that group never got vaccinated? If they or some of them did, then well, you know.
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drlove Member (Idle past 955 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
That is no excuse for allowing convicted frauds to do the testing for drugs they will make untold billions on! Then we see some results are trying to be hidden for many many decades!!! They also demanded protection against death and injury responsibility! This is science?
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