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AZPaul3
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Message 286 of 513 (890579)
01-08-2022 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by drlove
01-08-2022 1:46 PM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
The Barrington declaration had many thousands of medical professionals.
There are all kinds of greed in this world.
Your Barrington declaration is a self-serving right-wing display of bad science, bad judgement, bad motivations. It's the 1% telling the rest of us to get back to work. Die if you will but work until then.
quote:
The World Health Organization (WHO) and numerous academic and public-health bodies have stated that the proposed strategy is dangerous and lacks a sound scientific basis.
...
The Great Barrington Declaration was sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian free market think tank associated with climate change denial.
Wiki
Caught in yet another subterfuge to excuse your past lying. None of the rest of your posts can be considered valid since you have shown your propensity to lie like a fucking dog.
You're just one fuckin nazi lying for another bunch of fuckin nazis.
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Edited by AZPaul3, : more nasty


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 287 of 513 (890580)
01-08-2022 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by drlove
01-08-2022 1:49 PM


Strange denial.
What denial was that?
When unable to offer any support for your position you make up fairy tales.
i'm not trying to support a position. I'm trying to get you to use actual evidence to support yours. If you cannot even support your position you will never be able to convince anyone.
If I were to vote for Putin or Biden, I am not sure what I might choose. One thing I can say, it sure would not be the latter!
You don't seem to be able to understand the concept of opposing opinions, do you?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 288 of 513 (890581)
01-08-2022 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by drlove
01-08-2022 1:51 PM


When truth will not be published in formerly reputable pubs they are no longer reputable!
And if your alternate facts were published in a reputable journal is would no longer be useful information for anyone.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 289 of 513 (890585)
01-08-2022 2:44 PM
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01-08-2022 2:12 PM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
OK tks

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Message 290 of 513 (890586)
01-08-2022 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Tanypteryx
01-08-2022 2:17 PM


Or a reputable journal.

My Website: My Website

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drlove
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Message 291 of 513 (890587)
01-08-2022 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by AZPaul3
01-08-2022 2:14 PM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
Have you scientific evidence that all those doctors and scientists, nurses and etc on on side of this issue are greedy? Or was that just slander?
Newsflash: The WHO is not believed at all any more by untold millions of smart people.
So you end up in a demon talk rant. Impressive. Try posting when you get something to say and that you can support.
It is obvious that there are multitudes of people on each side of the medical issue. That means that that so called science is belief based.
I also like feet on the ground eyewirness and experience testimony. Example:
"A former ICU nurse laid waste to the Covid narrative at her local county school board meeting this week, exposing how the medical authorities are responsible for coronavirus deaths by not promoting early treatment protocols.
Speaking at a New Hanover County school board meeting in Wilmington, North Carolina, on Tuesday, registered nurse Morgan Wallace – who says she quit her job over vaccine mandates – slammed vaccines for failing to protect people from contracting Covid, and blamed government incompetence for leading to thousands of deaths.
“Everyone who died with Covid should be considered murdered. Early treatment has always been effective,”
https://www.infowars.com/...mdemic-in-epic-school-board-rant

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drlove
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Message 292 of 513 (890588)
01-08-2022 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Tanypteryx
01-08-2022 2:14 PM


quote:
What denial was that?
The strange one
quote:
i'm not trying to support a position..
Well you should. If you claim that medical science uses the scientific method and is not therefore belief based, then why are millions of people and tens of thousands of medical professionals not agreeing? Simple.

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Message 293 of 513 (890589)
01-08-2022 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Tanypteryx
01-08-2022 2:17 PM


You thought formerly reputable journals had some nazi propaganda ticket to ride? No. When truth is censored that means the reputable articles can't get published. The paper then becomes anti reputable!
Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 294 of 513 (890590)
01-08-2022 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by drlove
01-08-2022 2:49 PM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
It is obvious that there are multitudes of people on each side of the medical issue.
That's just it, you lying nazi. There are not.
The same old lying shit you reich-wing bastards try to pull on climate change for decades.
"Multitudes of real honest-to-god scientists say climate change is a hoax so keep burning that carbon cuz CO2 is good for plants."
You're a lier.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 295 of 513 (890593)
01-08-2022 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by drlove
01-08-2022 2:53 PM


quote:
What denial was that?
The strange one
How strange was it? Can you point to it or was invisibility its strangeness?
quote:
i'm not trying to support a position..
Well you should.
You are the one who came here to try and convince us. So far, you don't appear to have convinced anyone, but you never know maybe some really gullible person will come along. I guess you need better, more convincing evidence.
If you claim that medical science uses the scientific method and is not therefore belief based, then why are millions of people and tens of thousands of medical professionals not agreeing? Simple.
Because you just made up more alternate facts. Simple.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 296 of 513 (890594)
01-08-2022 3:17 PM


Moderator Request
I like to see the heat turned down and the focus changed to supporting claims with facts.

--Percy
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Tanypteryx
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Message 297 of 513 (890595)
01-08-2022 3:24 PM
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01-08-2022 2:55 PM


You thought formerly reputable journals had some nazi propaganda ticket to ride? No.
You are becoming less and less coherent. I have no idea what any of this gibberish means.
When truth is censored that means the reputable articles can't get published.
Yes, that's true.
The paper then becomes anti reputable!
Yes that's true, your papers are anti-reputable.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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drlove
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Message 298 of 513 (890596)
01-08-2022 3:25 PM
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01-08-2022 3:03 PM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
Well, support that claim with facts? If the scientific method was not used in the matters relating to the mrna vaccines, then prove it. If it was, well, obviously the data is totally subject to belief and interpreting.
They tried to suppress the results for 75 years. How are people supposed to deal from any point of knowledge?
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Message 299 of 513 (890597)
01-08-2022 3:28 PM
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01-08-2022 3:15 PM


"I always thought the Russian bots were more sophisticated and subtle. If this guy doesn't up his game Putin might put a little poison on his doorknob." post 281
That strange one

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Tanypteryx
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Message 300 of 513 (890598)
01-08-2022 3:36 PM
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01-08-2022 3:28 PM


"I always thought the Russian bots were more sophisticated and subtle. If this guy doesn't up his game Putin might put a little poison on his doorknob." post 281
That strange one
Oh, ok now I see why it's so strange, it wasn't a denial, it was sarcasm. Too subtle I guess.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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