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nwr
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Message 391 of 473 (911439)
07-04-2023 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 385 by xongsmith
07-04-2023 2:12 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
xongsmith in Message 385 writes:
Gretchen Whitmer born August 23, 1971, would also be a good start at 57, I guess, given how she's handled all kinds of Right-Wing BOOOLSHEET in Michigan.
I do have a positive impression of Whitmer. But it is a bit early to know how she will handle rat race to the presidency.

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Percy
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Message 392 of 473 (911441)
07-04-2023 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by Phat
07-03-2023 2:54 PM


Re: Conservatives, anyone?
Phat writes:
Just out of curiousity, whats the difference between a good conservative candidate and a conservative nut? Where do you rate Ted Cruz? Rand Paul? The conservative Kennedy?
Any candidate of any political persuasion who stands upon consistent principles dedicated to the betterment of all citizens and the country in general is a good candidate.
An example of poorly principled politicians are those engaged in efforts to make those unlikely to vote for them less likely to vote. Another example, this more explicit, was when Tennessee statehouse Republicans voted to expel two Democrats earlier this year.
You can assess Cruz, Paul and Kennedy yourself according to these principles and arrive at your own conclusions.
--Percy

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xongsmith
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Message 393 of 473 (911443)
07-04-2023 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 389 by Phat
07-04-2023 2:28 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
Phat asks about AOC:
I dont hate her...but I fear such a strong liberal woman. Am I wrong?
In a word, YES.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 394 of 473 (911444)
07-04-2023 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by Phat
07-04-2023 2:19 PM


Re: quoting
hey Phat, fix your quoting. Theodoric didn't write this:
Theo writes:
Many are pushing Gavin Newsom, but he is a man. I getting sick and tired of men.
I wrote that.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Theodoric
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Message 395 of 473 (911445)
07-04-2023 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by xongsmith
07-04-2023 3:02 PM


Re: quoting
He can't even get his personal attacks correct.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 396 of 473 (911446)
07-04-2023 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Theodoric
07-04-2023 3:25 PM


Re: quoting
Notice I used the word "liberals" rather than naming anyone. The peanut gallery all fell from the same tree.

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Message 397 of 473 (911447)
07-04-2023 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by nwr
07-04-2023 2:31 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
But she does not get much press coverage for that.
I lay that at Biden's feet. One of his jobs was to build and grow the young pols in the party's pipeline. When was the last time he did any kind of mentor thing at a news conference or speech or publicly uttered "off the cuff" remark? The way Obama kept Biden involved, public and shining. If it is happening and others are being sponsored and groomed then we haven't seen it and it isn't working.
In a pop culture 30-second soundbite presidential knife fight it is the "look", the visuals, the optics ... the perception of the personality, the perception of the beliefs ... that is key.
For all her skills personal, professional, political, VP Kamala Harris is not, imho, a commanding enough presence to do soundbite battles nationally with the likes of DeSantis and Trump. She was not a leading light in the last campaign. Maybe she will blossom on her own campaign.
Cory Booker? Elizabeth Warren? Gavin Newsom? Gretchen Whitmer?
xongsmith would add AOC. Policy ok. Public personality is a bit too harsh, imho, and I don't see the general public taking to it.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Theodoric
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Message 398 of 473 (911448)
07-04-2023 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 396 by Phat
07-04-2023 3:44 PM


Re: quoting
You used it as a pejorative against an individual, that is the definition of a personal attack. You don't even lie well.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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DrJones*
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Message 399 of 473 (911449)
07-05-2023 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 389 by Phat
07-04-2023 2:28 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
I fear such a strong liberal woman
Phat's afraid of a strong woman? what a surprise. Cry harder snowflake.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Phat
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Message 400 of 473 (911450)
07-05-2023 4:56 AM
Reply to: Message 399 by DrJones*
07-05-2023 12:13 AM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
Whats with this "snowflake" stuff? If we get another weak administration in there who is afraid to support older folks and seeks, rather, to redistribute wealth, the gray panthers will awaken and become more of a unified voting block than the smartphone selfie generation has ever seen or had to contend with. Perhaps you could call us the snowflake coalition! The Boomers will still outvote the Gen Xers for at least fifteen more years.
Having the latest diversity supporting candidate will take a back seat to making sure that grandpa and grandma are taken care of.
Besides...*this* old man is still working and wont sit at home sluffing off anytime soon.
And yes, I realize that hardcore conservatives want to do away with social security. The less the country spends on that, the more the country will need to spend on homelessness and medicare.

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Theodoric
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Message 401 of 473 (911460)
07-06-2023 9:27 AM
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07-05-2023 4:56 AM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
So neither the Dems or GQP support seniors? The old folks are going to throw out Buden and vote in donnie, because the GQP wants to cut social security?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 402 of 473 (911461)
07-06-2023 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 401 by Theodoric
07-06-2023 9:27 AM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
You've got a point. The problem with the Dems, however, is that they want to support too many groups and there is not enough money to go around. If they end up raising taxes, it wont help the situation.

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xongsmith
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Message 403 of 473 (911462)
07-06-2023 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 402 by Phat
07-06-2023 7:12 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
Phat writes:
The problem with the Dems, however, is that they want to support too many groups and there is not enough money to go around.
Tax the upper incomes and institute a wealth tax beyond the real estate taxes we have now.
You wont pay anymore, with your income.
If it doesn't work, at least we won't have this horrid income division between the 1% and the rest of us. It'll feel better.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Theodoric
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Message 404 of 473 (911463)
07-06-2023 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 402 by Phat
07-06-2023 7:12 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
Who?
Do the Rethugs support anyone but the rich?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 405 of 473 (911464)
07-07-2023 9:50 AM
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07-06-2023 7:12 PM


Re: Run, Forest, Run
Phat writes:
You've got a point. The problem with the Dems, however, is that they want to support too many groups and there is not enough money to go around. If they end up raising taxes, it wont help the situation.
If tax increases are used to fund improvements in healthcare, housing and nutrition, how would we not be better off?
Take just healthcare, for example. As Medicare spending has increased over time, lifespans have increased. That's what better healthcare will do. And here's a graph about Social Security's impact on lifespan showing that higher SS income leads to longer lifespans:
If we did the same for the general population the average quality of life would improve, and a happier, healthier population is also a more productive one.
--Percy

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