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Phat
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Message 316 of 354 (908820)
03-21-2023 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by Percy
03-20-2023 4:15 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
For starters, I have paid into it.
Secondly, I am not nor have ever been against limited socialism. We need a police dept. We need a fire dept. We need retirement for those who have earned it. What we don't need is unregulated handouts to anybody and everybody.

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Percy
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Message 317 of 354 (908823)
03-21-2023 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 316 by Phat
03-21-2023 1:05 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
Phat writes:
For starters, I have paid into it.
What you paid in will be far below what you're paid out. My guess is that you've paid in around $200,000 total, and that you'll be drawing out about $30,000/year. Am I in the ballpark? If so then after just seven years of retirement you'll be receiving monies beyond what you paid in.
Secondly, I am not nor have ever been against limited socialism. We need a police dept. We need a fire dept.
Police and fire departments not only aren't "limited socialism," they're not socialism at all. I think you don't know what socialism is.
We need retirement for those who have earned it.
And what about those who haven't "earned it"? Or what about those who earned it but then through the vagaries of life find themselves entering their retirement years with nothing? This is your cue to say something incredibly heartless, uncompassionate and inhumane.
What we don't need is unregulated handouts to anybody and everybody.
What we actually don't need is the casting of baseless aspersions.
--Percy

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Message 318 of 354 (908832)
03-21-2023 10:04 PM
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03-21-2023 1:05 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
What we don't need is unregulated handouts to anybody and everybody.
Examples?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 319 of 354 (908833)
03-21-2023 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by Theodoric
03-21-2023 10:04 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
Theodoric writes:
Phat writes:
What we don't need is unregulated handouts to anybody and everybody.
Examples?
Oil companies? Airlines? Banks? Google? Amazon? The NFL? Nascar?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Percy
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Message 320 of 354 (908854)
03-22-2023 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 319 by Tanypteryx
03-21-2023 10:54 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
Tanypteryx writes:
Oil companies? Airlines? Banks? Google? Amazon? The NFL? Nascar?
You'll probably find widespread agreement among the electorate about corporate handouts/bailouts, with the exception of Nascar in the south, of course. Not that this isn't without it's contradictions. Republicans are against the regulations that would require banks to maintain higher reserves but are also against bailing out the banks when they take advantage of the lack of regulation.
But Phat meant handouts to people.
--Percy

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Message 321 of 354 (908856)
03-22-2023 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 320 by Percy
03-22-2023 7:28 AM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
But Phat meant handouts to people.
I took that as the cutting point to Tany's quip. Can't give pork to people.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Theodoric
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Message 322 of 354 (908864)
03-22-2023 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 321 by AZPaul3
03-22-2023 7:44 AM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
I have my popcorn ready for Phat's response. Will be interesting to see how much hate he spews.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 323 of 354 (908869)
03-22-2023 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 320 by Percy
03-22-2023 7:28 AM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
But Phat meant handouts to people.
I know. He's against trickle down for the poor and pro GUSH-UP for the ultra wealthy. He's a dupe.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Phat
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Message 324 of 354 (908877)
03-22-2023 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by Theodoric
03-21-2023 10:04 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
Those ludicrous reparations proposals in San Francisco, for example.

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Theodoric
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Message 325 of 354 (908880)
03-22-2023 2:43 PM
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03-22-2023 2:19 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
Irrelevant. It is not something that happened or will happen.
Try again.
Phaith writes:
What we don't need is unregulated handouts to anybody and everybody.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 326 of 354 (908895)
03-22-2023 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
03-22-2023 2:19 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
Phat writes:
Those ludicrous reparations proposals in San Francisco, for example.
As a liberal, I would agree that it is ludicrous. A lot of stuff related to San Francisco is ludicrous, such as disparities in wealth and housing costs.
Quite frankly, perhaps the best way to help the economy is through some sort of lottery. Tax the rich and then randomly distribute the money in chunks that would actually change peoples' lives in a somewhat significant manner, say 50k or so. No need for all the added cost of setting up programs and people to run them, just give it away. Chances are it will land in the laps of people that could actually use it.

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Message 327 of 354 (908900)
03-23-2023 3:19 AM
Reply to: Message 326 by Taq
03-22-2023 6:27 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
Taq weites:
Quite frankly, perhaps the best way to help the economy is through some sort of lottery. Tax the rich and then randomly distribute the money in chunks that would actually change peoples' lives in a somewhat significant manner, say 50k or so. No need for all the added cost of setting up programs and people to run them, just give it away. Chances are it will land in the laps of people that could actually use it.
...and eventually it will wind up back in the coffers of the rich, so no one actually loses out.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Percy
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Message 328 of 354 (908902)
03-23-2023 7:46 AM
Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
03-22-2023 2:19 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
Phat writes:
Those ludicrous reparations proposals in San Francisco, for example.
Oh, yeah, that's a great example. Everyone in the country concerned about racial discrimination has jumped on board and is just heaping praise on the SF proposal. Everyone in this thread has been going on and on about it.
Oh, wait, it hasn't been mentioned once in this thread up until now.
But it does raise some thorny questions. How does one compensate a group for past racial discrimination that has left them with lower incomes, lesser prospects, subpar educations, worse housing, poorer health, and greater likelihood of incarceration and death? How can compensation be an answer when the racial discrimination is continuing and on-going, and where the day after reparations are made you will owe them yet more?
One more point. Accurate information about one side is unlikely to come from the opposing side. If there were any truth to your claim that you get your information from a multiplicity of sources (a ludicrous claim on its face given the things you say) then what you say would reflect that. You're not yet the person you claim you want to be, informed, balanced and fair, so you may as well stop making claims that you are, because it's obvious to everyone that you aren't.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 329 of 354 (908905)
03-23-2023 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 327 by xongsmith
03-23-2023 3:19 AM


Biden Our Time being fair and balanced
Dont they already do that with State Lotterys? Oh wait....the rare times people win any significant amount, they are likely problem gamblers and spend it back into the system....thus not helping themselves at all.
I don't believe in showering money on people who have not earned it, yet I am (or have been) a problem gambler. There was many a day that I even prayed that I would win...which in retrospect was silly and desperate. As I became more rationally minded and sober, I realized how much of my money was squandered in the quest for a guarantee of an easier life. So nowadays, I watch other people (mainly poor folks) squander their money the same way that I did.(There are two lottery ticket machines next to self checkout at work) Gambling never helped Colorado, apart from becoming another form of taxation which preyed on an addiction.
Taq writes:
No need for all the added cost of setting up programs and people to run them, just give it away.
Bigger government does not save money either.

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Phat
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Message 330 of 354 (908906)
03-23-2023 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 328 by Percy
03-23-2023 7:46 AM


Biden Our Time
Percy writes:
How does one compensate a group for past racial discrimination that has left them with lower incomes, lesser prospects, subpar educations, worse housing, poorer health, and greater likelihood of incarceration and death?
For starters, the "group" should never be taught that they are owed something. Everyone should be taught that hard work and obedience to the same set of rules as everyone else is the way that a system is supposed to work. No one should ever be discriminated against, and better awareness of the scope and reality of the injustice should be the goal of public information.
Percy writes:
Oh, wait, it hasn't been mentioned once in this thread up until now.
And I was venting. When I perceive any hint of unfairness against me, I get uppity. Your reply did give me a chance to think about why such a thing might have irritated me, and actually provide me with a glimpse about how the other sides must feel. Unfairness...discrimination..is an ugly reality which needs to be dealt with.
If there were any truth to your claim that you get your information from a multiplicity of sources (a ludicrous claim on its face given the things you say) then what you say would reflect that.
You do have a point.
You're not yet the person you claim you want to be, informed, balanced and fair, so you may as well stop making claims that you are, because it's obvious to everyone that you aren't.
It is who I want to be. I want fairness but I don't believe in overtaxing the middle class while helping the lower class and watching the rich sit on the sidelines.
This whole darn world is groaning. I'm nobody special.

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