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Phat
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Message 301 of 473 (895676)
07-10-2022 2:04 PM
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07-10-2022 11:40 AM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
Its just that I was under the impression that strategic petroleum reserve fuel was earmarked to help lessen domestic costs of gasoline for Americans...not Chinese.

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Message 302 of 473 (895677)
07-10-2022 2:11 PM
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07-10-2022 2:04 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
The reserve is crude oil, and - according to what I’ve read - if it’s being shipped anywhere it’s for refining because the US doesn’t have the spare capacity.

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Message 303 of 473 (895680)
07-10-2022 2:55 PM
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07-10-2022 2:04 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
US refineries are at 98% capacity. The chinese are paying market price for the oil. As a commodity it effects prices no matter where it is refined and used. What the fuck is the problem?
This is faux outrage about something you and the other fearmongers know nothing about. I thought RWNJ's like you loved the market.

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Message 304 of 473 (895681)
07-10-2022 3:50 PM
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07-10-2022 2:55 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
This is faux outrage about something you and the other fearmongers know nothing about.
And I didn't realize the U.S. president is a seller or buyer of oil, or other commodities for that matter. Does the Department of Commerce engage in commerce or regulate it?

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Message 305 of 473 (895707)
07-11-2022 7:51 PM
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07-10-2022 2:04 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
You still putting your money into gold and cryptos? How's that going?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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marc9000
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Message 306 of 473 (908720)
03-19-2023 9:14 PM


More mainstream news media cover-up
January 11,2023
quote:
“For the past two years, the Biden Administration and Big Tech worked overtime to hide information about the Biden family’s suspicious business schemes and Joe Biden’s involvement. Now that Democrats no longer have one-party rule in Washington, oversight and accountability are coming. For years, the Biden family peddled influence and access around the world for profit, often at the expense of our nation’s interests. The American people must know the extent of Joe Biden’s involvement in his family’s shady business deals. and if these deals threaten national security and his decision-making as president.
Comer Announces New Actions in Biden Family Investigation - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability
March 14,2023
quote:
“After two months of dragging their feet, the Treasury Department is finally providing us with access to the suspicious activity reports for the Biden family and their associates’ business transactions. It should never have taken us threatening to hold a hearing and conduct a transcribed interview with an official under the penalty of perjury for Treasury to finally accommodate part of our request. For over 20 years, Congress had access to these reports but the Biden Administration changed the rules out of the blue to restrict our ability to conduct oversight.
“According to bank documents we’ve already obtained, we know one company owned by a Biden associate received a $3 million dollar wire from a Chinese energy company two months after Joe Biden left the vice presidency. Soon after, hundreds of thousands of dollars in payouts went to members of the Biden family. We are going to continue to use bank documents and suspicious activity reports to follow the money trail to determine the extent of the Biden family’s business schemes, if Joe Biden is compromised by these deals, and if there is a national security threat. If Treasury tries to stonewall our investigation again, we will continue to use tools at our disposal to compel compliance.”
Comer: Treasury Department Caves, Provides Access to Biden Family & Their Associates’ SARs - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability
NO REPORTS on any of this by ABC World News Tonight.
It's easy to see what was / is going on. For the last year of Biden's vice presidency, most of the mainstream media pundits were laughing at Trump, and predicting an easy victory for Hillary Clinton, assuming one, and probably two terms for Hillary. Biden was 73 / 74 years old at this point, and was thinking about little more than retirement, plus a few nice bonuses for family members. Who knows what he sold China to get it. Comer's not guessing yet, but stay tuned to CONSERVATIVE news. The mainstream will cover it up as long as it can. There are many other more important things to report I guess, weather sensationalism, Trump's possible payout to a whore 6+ years ago etc. I guess these are bigger national security threats than Biden's personal dealings with China while vice president, and big tech's censorship of free speech.

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Message 307 of 473 (908737)
03-20-2023 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by marc9000
03-19-2023 9:14 PM


Re: More mainstream news media cover-up
I think most of us are for finding and punishing wrongdoing without regard to political affiliation.
marc9000 writes:
...but stay tuned to CONSERVATIVE news.
This seems to be saying that only "CONSERVATIVE news" will report accurately and honestly. But instead of declaring one set of media outlets the font of truth regardless of what they actually say, might a better goal be ferreting out the truth regardless of source?
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 308 of 473 (908797)
03-20-2023 3:35 PM
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03-20-2023 8:40 AM


Re: More mainstream news media cover-up
I usually compare 5 or even ten different news sources to arrive at some sort of consensus in my own mind about whats going on. And I don't pick and choose only conservative or only liberal.

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Phat
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Message 309 of 473 (908798)
03-20-2023 3:38 PM
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07-11-2022 7:51 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
If you MUST know, I cant afford Gold and I don't trust Crypto. Its a giant ponzi scheme. Any more personal questions?
Im just hoping that Social Security will hold together or I'm out on the street with the homeless.

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Message 310 of 473 (908804)
03-20-2023 4:12 PM
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03-20-2023 3:35 PM


Re: More mainstream news media cover-up
Phat writes:
I usually compare 5 or even ten different news sources to arrive at some sort of consensus in my own mind about whats going on. And I don't pick and choose only conservative or only liberal.
When some of your sources are lying, the truth does not lie somewhere in the middle.
--Percy

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Message 311 of 473 (908805)
03-20-2023 4:15 PM
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03-20-2023 3:38 PM


Re: Why Is Biden Selling SPR Reserves To China?
Phat writes:
Im just hoping that Social Security will hold together or I'm out on the street with the homeless.
How can you in good conscience accept handouts from what in your view is unvarnished socialism?
--Percy

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marc9000
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Message 312 of 473 (908816)
03-20-2023 10:20 PM
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03-20-2023 8:40 AM


Re: More mainstream news media cover-up
I think most of us are for finding and punishing wrongdoing without regard to political affiliation.
I don't. I think most of the Democrat base, the audience of the mainstream news media reports, approves of the way anything that isn't favorable to Democrats is covered up.
By the way, a big reason I decided to bump this 8 month long hibernating thread, is your Message 231 in the other thread, so thank you for that. But there was one other reason. For 3 straight evenings (4 now) ABC World News Tonight has referred to Trumps former lawyer Micheal Cohen as Trump's "fixer". This is a brilliant term, used as one of many building blocks the news media came up with as a way to discredit him, to make him look so clumsy that he has to have some appointed person to, legally or illegally, patch up his blunders. You'd think these supposed journalists would have enough sense to drop that term 2 years after his presidency is over. But they don't, without realizing that it can inspire some people who aren't Trump haters to ask; WHO IS BIDEN'S FIXER? He's done plenty of blunders that needed fixing in the past 2 years, who has been "fixing" them? Let's do a quick look to find out who his personal attorney is;
Who are the president's private attorneys and is Biden paying the legal bills? - CBS News
quote:
But little is known about the team of attorneys representing the most powerful person in the world in his personal capacity. Aside from naming Bauer, the White House and Mr. Biden's legal team have thus far declined to disclose who else is representing the president. It's also not clear whether it is Mr. Biden who is paying his private attorneys' fees or another entity.
So we have a (practically unknown) Bob Bauer, and a host of other unnamed attorneys. ALL of them had to spring into action when classified documents were found in Biden's garage, as only one example. They dutifully turned the documents over to the Democrat run FBI, so I guess that FIXED it. It fixed it with the mainstream media, that's for sure.
Or maybe the mainstream media anchors are his FIXERS. That's an easy job of course, all they have to do is NOT REPORT anything that makes him look bad, except of course, big news that's all over other sources. Months ago, they had no choice but to at least briefly touch on the mess at the southern border. That's all forgotten now though. Fox News has been recently showing videos of Chinese illegals coming over the southern border now. Will his fixers in the mainstream media be compelled to briefly skim over that in the coming days? Nothing yet.
This seems to be saying that only "CONSERVATIVE news" will report accurately and honestly. But instead of declaring one set of media outlets the font of truth regardless of what they actually say, might a better goal be ferreting out the truth regardless of source?
As I have said here before, the way to ferret out the truth is to get news from multiple sources, as I do. I'm the first to admit that Fox News is probably just as guilty as the mainstream media in covering up news that isn't favorable to their "side". But Fox News was conceived in 1996 as balance to the liberal news media. If the liberal news media would have actually learned something, they would have made some attempts to correct themselves, and watched Fox fizzle out, with nothing more to do. But no, they've responded by doubling down, and by now, giving Fox top ratings in many prime time slots.
Sometimes it can be hard to distinguish between a "journalist" versus an opinionated personality. Fox News has some journalists, Jon Scott and Bret Baier come to mind. That's what David Muir of ABC is supposed to be. I don't think we'll ever see Scott or Baier use a stupid, snide term like "fixer" against Democrats like Muir does against Republicans.
One of the big talking points the liberal media has been using against Fox lately is how Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham, and another one or two were sending private messages to each other questioning or condemning on-air reports about the 2020 election being stolen. But isn't that almost like they were concerned about what the TRUTH actually was? When the mainstream media was lying about Trump-Russian collusion, or Hunter Biden laptop Russian mis-information, no private questioning about those lies seemed to be happening. Could that be because mainstream anchors and personalities are much more in lockstep with carrying water for Democrats instead of finding out what the truth actually is?

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Message 313 of 473 (908817)
03-21-2023 1:14 AM
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03-20-2023 10:20 PM


Re: More mainstream news media cover-up
Could that be because mainstream anchors and personalities are much more in lockstep with carrying water for Democrats instead of finding out what the truth actually is?
No. It's that there is no story here except with the lying conservative shit-throwers like fox and marc9000 trying to manufacture controversy where none exists.

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Message 314 of 473 (908818)
03-21-2023 1:28 AM
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03-20-2023 10:20 PM


Re: More mainstream news media cover-up
For 3 straight evenings (4 now) ABC World News Tonight has referred to Trumps former lawyer Micheal Cohen as Trump's "fixer". This is a brilliant term, used as one of many building blocks the news media came up with as a way to discredit him, to make him look so clumsy that he has to have some appointed person to, legally or illegally, patch up his blunders. You'd think these supposed journalists would have enough sense to drop that term 2 years after his presidency is over.
I'm not sure why you are so obsessed with "fixer". It's not that bad a term.
I have the impression that Cohen first used that term. And it was with respect to the period before Trump was president, so why would you expect it to be discarded after he left office?

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Message 315 of 473 (908819)
03-21-2023 8:04 AM
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03-20-2023 10:20 PM


Re: More mainstream news media cover-up
marc9000 writes:
I think most of us are for finding and punishing wrongdoing without regard to political affiliation.
I don't. I think most of the Democrat base, the audience of the mainstream news media reports, approves of the way anything that isn't favorable to Democrats is covered up.
By "most of us" I meant most of us here in this discussion, but I disagree with your characterization of the Democratic base, and I don't think it's true of Republicans, either.
--Percy

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