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Taq
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Message 226 of 438 (907875)
03-01-2023 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Tanypteryx
03-01-2023 12:22 PM


Re: To Hell With Phat
Tanypteryx writes:
This is the same crap the fascists pulled in the 1930s in Germany.
US Conservatives have also fawned all over the leader of the Italian Fascist party who recently became Prime Minister in Italy.
https://www.dallasobserver.com/...ht-giorgia-meloni-14913043

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Tanypteryx
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Message 227 of 438 (907877)
03-01-2023 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Taq
03-01-2023 12:46 PM


Re: To Hell With Phat
US Conservatives have also fawned all over the leader of the Italian Fascist party who recently became Prime Minister in Italy.
Yeah, it scares the crap out of me to see fascists gain power in countries that were almost destroyed by the same bullshit a few decades ago.
The most chilling for me was watching a whole party calling for "Lock Her Up" without a single shred of evidence of a crime, or even a law that was broken. They actually think challenging them is a crime and insurrection and treason is patriotism!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Phat
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Message 228 of 438 (907937)
03-02-2023 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by jar
02-28-2023 7:57 AM


Re: old news
jar writes:
You are "pitiful, pathetic, deplorable, despicable bigoted willfully ignorant, and dishonest." because you think woke has meaning, that progressive should be mocked, that source trumps content.
Why shouldn't progressives be poked fun at? You ridicule people all the time. And why should SOURCE take a back seat to CONTENT?

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Message 229 of 438 (907938)
03-02-2023 4:00 PM
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03-02-2023 3:53 PM


Re: old news
Phat writes:
Why shouldn't progressives be poked fun at? You ridicule people all the time. And why should SOURCE take a back seat to CONTENT?
The interesting part for us is that you project all of the characteristics of Conservatives onto Liberals as a way of ridiculing Liberals.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 230 of 438 (907940)
03-02-2023 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Taq
03-02-2023 4:00 PM


Re: old news
The interesting part for us is that you project all of the characteristics of Conservatives onto Liberals as a way of ridiculing Liberals.
Naw, that's all those liberal autocrats.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Percy
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Message 231 of 438 (908686)
03-19-2023 8:17 AM


Trump Comments on Manhattan DA's Investigation
As reported in Trump says he expects to be arrested Tuesday as DA eyes charges - CBS News, former president Donald Trump yesterday posted on Truth Social:
Donald Trump:
THE FAR & AWAY LEADING REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE & FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WILL BE ARRESTED ON TUESDAY OF NEXT WEEK.
...
PROTEST, TAKE OUR NATION BACK!
I think Trump is right, people should protest, and just as on January 6th of 2020 they should fight for what they hold dear. They should break into the offices of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Brag and wander the halls intoning in a sing-song voice, "Alvin?...Alvin?...Where are you Alvin?" House Speaker Kevin McCarthy can provide exclusive video to Tucker Carlson and only Tucker Carlson so he can show how peaceful it was.
--Percy

  
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Message 232 of 438 (909294)
03-30-2023 10:41 PM


Lock Him Up
No, that's not right in this modern American society.
Guillotine would be good.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

  
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Message 233 of 438 (909341)
04-01-2023 1:37 AM


Trump Wins Supreme Court!
Supreme Court Quashes Trump Indictment
Supreme Court calls for election fraud review. May overturn election
In a most startling turn around in US history SCOTUS, acting on an emergency appeal against New York state’s power to indict, quashed the state's indictment of Trump saying there is a question whether a state can indict a sitting president and Trump may be the sitting president when massive voter fraud is considered.
Then in a separate addendum to its order SCOTUS called for arguments on Tuesday April 25 to determine whether, due to voter fraud, SCOTUS should void the last presidential election reinstating Trump as the elected president.
Despite the date of these announcements Trump supporters are ecstatic at this sudden turn of events.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 234 of 438 (909342)
04-01-2023 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by AZPaul3
04-01-2023 1:37 AM


Re: Trump Wins Supreme Court!
Thanks! You just gave my heart a stress test and it passed. I read your headlines but couldn't find it on any news feeds, and then came back and read the rest.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 235 of 438 (909345)
04-01-2023 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by AZPaul3
04-01-2023 1:37 AM


Re: Trump Wins Supreme Court!
AZPaul3 writes in part:
Despite the date of these announcements
Hah hah! and I was going to post:
BREAKING NEWS!! MAGA Protestor arrested for fatally shooting Alvin Bragg on steps of NY courthouse!
Yours are better!

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Percy
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Message 236 of 438 (909347)
04-01-2023 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by xongsmith
04-01-2023 7:47 AM


Re: Trump Wins Supreme Court!

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Message 237 of 438 (909349)
04-01-2023 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Percy
04-01-2023 9:10 AM


Re: Trump Wins Supreme Court!
Just like creos. Circular sourcing.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 238 of 438 (909350)
04-01-2023 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by AZPaul3
04-01-2023 1:37 AM


Re: Trump Wins Supreme Court!
In MAGAt and creo world that would be known as accurate sourcing.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 239 of 438 (909404)
04-03-2023 9:08 AM


It's More Than Just Dominion
In dismissing Fox New's motion for summary judgment, Superior Court Judge Eric M. Davis ruled Friday that Fox News and guests lied numerous times in making claims that Dominion threw the election to Biden. In one of the few times in our history a significant defamation claim will move on to trial. (Judge: Dominion defamation case against Fox will go to trial)
I will not enumerate or even attempt to summarize the numerous times that Fox News hosts and guests lied, nor about the back channel admissions that Fox News knew it was lying. That information can be found spread across many news articles over the past couple years.
I want to call attention to the fact that the Dominion case isn't just a single incident, isn't just the one time that Fox News stepped outside the lines. It just an example, and not the most egregious, of Fox News lying about everything. They're not a News Organization but a ratings organization. Whatever need be said to deliver the greatest viewership and highest ratings, that's what Fox News will say. Honest reporting, truth and accuracy don't even have a casual relationship with Fox News. They're in constant conflict with these ideals.
Here's some other topics, by no means a complete list, just what I can recall at the moment, about which Fox News has lied or is still lying:
  • The 2020 election
  • The 2016 election
  • The pandemic
  • The Trump insurrection
  • The Trump mistress payoff scheme
  • The Trump Georgia election interference scheme
  • The Trump false property valuations schemes
  • The border
  • Black Lives Matter
  • Hunter Biden
  • Replacement theory
--Percy

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Message 240 of 438 (909441)
04-03-2023 9:46 PM
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04-03-2023 9:08 AM


Re: It's More Than Just Dominion
And some mainstream media lies;
quote:
No. 1 is the oldest and biggest: Trump colluded with Russia to win in 2016 and might be a Russian agent. That scam involved crooked FBI agents and led to the appointment of Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who took two years to conclude there was no evidence to back the charge.
Yet the probe had enormous impact, with the drumbeat of anonymous leaks hampering the Trump agenda and helping Democrats take the House in 2018. ]
Remember Lie No. 2, the “Muslim ban” that wasn’t? Or No. 3, the mantra that the 2017 tax cuts were only for the “rich” despite studies showing 80 percent of the population benefitted?
How about the “kids in cages” firestorm, complete with gripping photographs of migrant children in metal containers?
That was Lie No. 4 and the hottest story going, with Democrats such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez rushing to the border with photogenic outrage. They vanished when it was revealed the Obama-Biden administration built the cages and the heart-wrenching photos were from 2014.
Apologies, corrections and retractions came in bunches, right? You must be kidding. Big media and big tech are too big to admit error.
Even now, with historic surges of young people at the border, the press doesn’t complain about Biden banning their cameras. That’s not journalism — it’s complicity.
Lie No. 5 was the Ukraine impeachment of Trump, a creative fiction based on a complaint from an anonymous member of the swamp who never testified. But others did to say the president, in trying to get information on Biden family corruption in Ukraine, was guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors.
Over and over again, they are the boy who cried wolf. It’s getting so where it’s safer to assume what the media insists is absolutely true probably isn’t.
Just as liberals have become illiberal, media have become more focused on suppressing the truth than revealing it.
Take Hunter Biden’s laptop, which is No. 6 on my Top Ten, although it rivals Russia, Russia, Russia in importance. When The Post first showed how the contents revealed his shady foreign business deals and how his father helped him, it was not unreasonable for the Times, Washington Post and others to hold off until they could confirm the explosive information late in the campaign.
The role Rudy Giuliani played in getting the material to The Post, which the paper disclosed, created additional concern because Giuliani was Trump’s lawyer.
So there were legitimate reasons for caution — up to a point. But the real motivation in avoiding the story soon became apparent.
The outlets that held their noses over the laptop had no trouble embracing the claim from Joe Biden’s campaign that the e-mails on it were “Russian disinformation.”
In what felt like a coordinated move, big tech instantly blocked The Post and other users from sharing them.
The final proof that media caution had morphed into coverup came when Tony Bobulinski emerged. A former partner of Hunter and Jim Biden, Joe’s brother, in a joint venture with a Chinese energy conglomerate, Bobulinski authenticated the critical e-mails because he had received them as CEO of the venture.
He also solved a riddle by saying the “big guy” slated to get a secret 10 percent stake was Joe Biden. Bobulinski told me he met with him in early 2017 and said Joe knew everything about the plan to introduce American mayors and governors to Chinese officials so the Chinese could buy US infrastructure.
All this was public information because of The Post, Fox News and a few others, yet most media cast doubts on the revelations. They were especially loathe to report anything supporting Joe Biden’s role, even though Bobulinski gave all his evidence to the FBI.
That cone of silence goes well beyond bias. That is Lie No. 7.
Finally, the 10th lie remains active, so the truth has not fully emerged.
The subject is ballot integrity, which the left demonizes as improper voter suppression. Joe Biden made the astonishing claim that demands for photo identification are the new Jim Crow.
Naturally, his claim was magnified by the media, with CNN creating a logo declaring “Voting Rights Under Attack.” Even the normally sober Pew Trusts said, “Republican Wave of Voting Restrictions Swells.”
One count had 361 bills introduced in 47 states, and Wikipedia labels all of them attempts to restrict voting access. Craven corporate leaders piled on.
Never mind that polls show overwhelming support for voter ID laws, with a March survey finding 69 percent of black voters and 75 percent of all respondents favor such measures.
The finding provides hope and reminds us there are antidotes to a corrupt press: Facts, facts and more facts. Or, as the late economist Herb Stein put it, “If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.”
Media lies are no exception.
My Top 10 media lies: Goodwin
Fox News came on the scene in 1996, as a welcome balance to liberal bias in the news. It would have been nice if the mainstream media would have taken note, and corrected most or all of their bias, and watched Fox News fade away from public interest in a few years. Instead they doubled down, they omit far more unfriendly news to Democrats today than ever before. Fox News has plenty of material, and continue to have good ratings.
With 2.5 Million Viewers, Fox News Channel’s ‘Gutfeld!’ Beats Every Show In Late Night TV

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