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Tangle
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Message 211 of 438 (907758)
02-28-2023 8:45 AM
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02-28-2023 7:57 AM


Re: old news
Pack it in Jar, this isn't useful

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 212 of 438 (907777)
02-28-2023 11:30 AM
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02-28-2023 7:38 AM


Re: old news
I have no degrees, but I don't feel that I am stupid.
You are very gullible. You repeatedly fall for slick presentations.

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Theodoric
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Message 213 of 438 (907804)
02-28-2023 2:20 PM
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02-28-2023 11:30 AM


Re: old news
He is willfully ignorant which is a form of stupidity.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 214 of 438 (907829)
02-28-2023 9:56 PM


dog piling
c'mon guys...give poor Phat some time to recover from being brainwashed by Rupert Murdoch's minions.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 215 of 438 (907834)
02-28-2023 11:10 PM
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02-28-2023 9:56 PM


Re: dog piling
Oh, FUCK HIM TO HELL!!!!!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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Message 216 of 438 (907845)
03-01-2023 4:16 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by Tanypteryx
02-28-2023 11:10 PM


To Hell With Phat
Whats interesting is the emotions behind your statement. When the Conservatives do it, it is labeled as hate. When the progressives do it, it is labeled as righteous anger.
I don't want to hurt anybody. Im just not in goosestep with a bunch of progressives pointing their finger at conservatives. You can hate Trump if you want and I might even join you. But to paint the entire Conservative philosophy as Fascist is conflating reality. Let he who is without sin among you cast the fist stone!

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Phat
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Message 217 of 438 (907847)
03-01-2023 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by nwr
02-28-2023 11:30 AM


Willful Ignorance?
nwr writes:
You repeatedly fall for slick presentations.
Here is my latest one. I would defend the logic of Jim Rickards with my whole brain. I know that few if any of you will watch the brief video, but it is commercial free and Rickards makes a lot of sense. The economy will correct majorly. Modern Monetary Theory is a myth. And the bill will be paid with our blood. And you cant blame the Conservatives! It is the clueless Economists running the Fed.
Theodoric will insist that we don't debate by video. I will also provide the transcript. Does anyone have the guts to watch it and tell me Rickards is wrong?
Transcript

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Message 218 of 438 (907859)
03-01-2023 10:20 AM
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03-01-2023 4:37 AM


Re: Willful Ignorance?
I watched the video. I agree with some of it.
Yes, our national debt is too high. I blame Republicans.
Yes, I agree that our supply lines are too fragile. I mostly blame Republicans, though Bill Clinton deserves some criticism there, too. Reliance on outsourcing is a bad idea. I have always seen it as a bad idea. Much of it comes from Reagan's "supply side economics".
The whole idea of outsourcing has been to cut costs, increase profits for the rich and fuck the poor. And by the way Phat, you count as one of the poor (relative to the very wealthy). Somehow the Republicans repeatedly persuade you to vote against your own best interests
The large national debt is mostly because Republicans keep cutting taxes when those taxes should have been used to pay down the debt.
If Republicans want smaller government, then they need to actually cut things. But they won't do that, because they know that the voters will throw them out of office if they do. So, instead, they cynically cut taxes in an attempt to force the Democrats to do the actual cutting of programs. This is never going to work.

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Message 219 of 438 (907860)
03-01-2023 10:34 AM
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03-01-2023 4:37 AM


Re: Willful Ignorance?
Rickards has been predicting doom and gloom for over a decade now. All that has happened is that he has made money off of gullible rubes.
Is James Rickards Right About A Coming Monetary Apocalypse?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 220 of 438 (907861)
03-01-2023 10:43 AM
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03-01-2023 4:37 AM


Re: Willful Ignorance?
Oh yeah. You are off-topic. Again.
Providing a transcript does not absolve you from breaking the rules. Again.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 221 of 438 (907863)
03-01-2023 10:46 AM
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03-01-2023 4:16 AM


Re: To Hell With Phat
Phat writes:
But to paint the entire Conservative philosophy as Fascist is conflating reality.
I would be curious about your knowledge of what fascism is. If our two political parties were transported to 1930's Germany or Italy I think it would be pretty obvious which party would not fit in. Do you think it is Conservatives or Liberals that have been circulating conspiracy theories of Jewish influence in politics? Which is the most nationalistic of the two parties? Which party is calling for the banning of books in school libraries and the expulsion of gays and transexuals from school systems? Which party continually harkens back to some past society that they think was better than the one now? Which party fears the dilution of America culture by some conspiratorial invasion of outsiders?
I think if you took a step back and used a neutral eye you would see what we do.

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Message 222 of 438 (907871)
03-01-2023 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 219 by Theodoric
03-01-2023 10:34 AM


Re: Willful Ignorance?
Whatever happened to Source vs Content? You refused to watch the Content as nwr did but immediately ran to google to find a SOURCE attacking Rickards. Your politics are as set in stone as anyones. The economy is going to fail. Modern Monetary Theory is a failure and a lie. And you conveniently refuse to hear any of the evidence that it is.
Here are two more, saying the exact same thing that Rickards says.

The problem could be that you "educated" people fall for Modern Monetary Theory.
You are in fact the Rubes.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 223 of 438 (907872)
03-01-2023 12:01 PM
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03-01-2023 4:16 AM


Re: To Hell With Phat
Phat writes:
But to paint the entire Conservative philosophy as Fascist is conflating reality.
Perhaps you can point to which part of "Oh, FUCK HIM TO HELL!!!!!" says anything about fascists or conservatives. I was expressing my disgust for YOU, period.
Phat writes:
Im just not in goosestep with a bunch of progressives pointing their finger at conservatives.
No, you're in goosestep with conservatives pointing their shitty finger at progressives, but "Oh, FUCK HIM TO HELL!!!!!" doesn't say anything about THAT either.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 224 of 438 (907873)
03-01-2023 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Taq
03-01-2023 10:46 AM


Re: To Hell With Phat
I would be curious about your knowledge of what fascism is. If our two political parties were transported to 1930's Germany or Italy I think it would be pretty obvious which party would not fit in. Do you think it is Conservatives or Liberals that have been circulating conspiracy theories of Jewish influence in politics? Which is the most nationalistic of the two parties? Which party is calling for the banning of books in school libraries and the expulsion of gays and transexuals from school systems? Which party continually harkens back to some past society that they think was better than the one now? Which party fears the dilution of America culture by some conspiratorial invasion of outsiders?
And which party is vilifying all the press, except far right media, vilifying federal law enforcement, and attacking any agency that investigates the criminal activities of Trump and his henchmen. Which party are insurrectionists, election deniers, calling for "national divorce", demanding to carry handguns onto the floors of the U.S. Congress, and on and on. This is the same crap the fascists pulled in the 1930s in Germany.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Theodoric
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Message 225 of 438 (907874)
03-01-2023 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Phat
03-01-2023 11:56 AM


rules violation and off topic. Again
I have no idea what any of them are saying. I do not watch videos to support your delusions.
Please try to stay on topic. You have plenty of bullshit topics about this already started. How about you move this to one of them and make an actual argument instead of just posting videos and transcripts?
Do you understand them well enough to make an actual argument?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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