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ringo
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Message 646 of 728 (894917)
06-02-2022 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 643 by Dredge
06-02-2022 8:37 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Dredge writes:
Tell me, if the Pope goes out and rob banks...
He robs poor people to build his palaces.
Dredge writes:
... and rapes altar-boys...
He does.
Dredge writes:
... and becomes a serial killer...
By proxy, he does.
Dredge writes:
... does that mean he has contradicted the Catholic dogma of Papal Infallibility?
It certainly does, you Pharisee. He breaks the spirit of infallibility, if not the letter. You might as well say he's only infallible when he's facing Mecca or when he's wearing his special pope-hat.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
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AZPaul3
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Message 647 of 728 (894918)
06-02-2022 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 642 by Dredge
06-02-2022 8:15 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
How could they pay the rent?
A Christian can't own even a frypan or a knife and fork?
A Christian can't own a radio or a phone or a bicycle or a car?
Can a Christian own a towel? What about a pencil?
How would Christians be able to raise children if the parents give away all their possessions?
A Christian can't own a business?
Makes it real difficult to be a christian, yet that is what the man said. If you believe in this crap then your bible says exactly that. Bummer.
I guess you don't qualify as a True Christian® TM © either. You still love your possessions more than you love your god. I guess your satan must be happy then too.

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Message 648 of 728 (894919)
06-02-2022 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 647 by AZPaul3
06-02-2022 12:25 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Remember Jesus was a Socialist if not a Communist. He lived in a communal setting off donated money and shared equally except when he wanted special oils and scents when he accepted anointment with very expensive oils that could have been sold to help the poor.
His excuse was she did good for him and he wouldn't be around forever but the poor would always be with them.
So that's what Jesus did.
Hint. Matt 26

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Message 649 of 728 (894920)
06-02-2022 1:34 PM


Different Meaning To Giving It Up
And Dredge, Phat,
I want to make plain that the solution to your problem here is not to go full-out street destitute preacher or to feel bad guilty you’re not Christian enough to give it all up. The solution is to lose the stupid that created Christian to begin with. You don’t need it. You can be a good humanist, still keep your retirement fund, and, best part, you’re not required to hate on anyone.

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Message 650 of 728 (894928)
06-02-2022 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 642 by Dredge
06-02-2022 8:15 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Simply from a practical point of view your interptetation of those verses makes no sense. For example, where would Christians live if they gave up all their possessions? How could they pay the rent?
Here's my take on this.
Maybe two or three months ago, somewhere online I saw a question: What is it that conservatives want to conserve?
I did not see an answer at that time. But my own answer is that they want to conserve privilege (their own privilege). At one time, it was about the privilege of aristocrats. It later morphed into the privilege of wealth. And these days it is often Christian privilege or white privilege.
When Jesus said to give it away, my take is that he was saying to give up the privilege. He was saying that we should be part of the common community, and not require special privilege.

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Phat
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Message 651 of 728 (894929)
06-03-2022 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 645 by ringo
06-02-2022 12:00 PM


Giving It All Up. An Arguable Theme
One problem. There are no trustworthy Apostles at whose feet we should lay our goods. I certainly wouldn't give it all up to the government.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 652 of 728 (894932)
06-03-2022 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 651 by Phat
06-03-2022 3:07 AM


Re: Giving It All Up. An Arguable Theme
Phat, read the Bible, please.
Did God tell the individuals to use the seven good years to prepare for the seven lean years, or was the message sent in dreams to the head of the government?

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ringo
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Message 653 of 728 (894942)
06-03-2022 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 651 by Phat
06-03-2022 3:07 AM


Re: Giving It All Up. An Arguable Theme
Phat writes:
There are no trustworthy Apostles at whose feet we should lay our goods.
Irrelevant. Jesus told you to do it, so if you believed in Him you would do it.
If the "apostles" - e.g. your beloved lying apologists - rip you off, then that's on them. If you refuse to do it, it's on you.
Phat writes:
I certainly wouldn't give it all up to the government.
Nobody's asking you to. But if the government came for everything you have, you would certainly give it up. They don't take no for an answer.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Phat
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Message 654 of 728 (894960)
06-03-2022 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 653 by ringo
06-03-2022 11:40 AM


Re: Giving It All Up. An Arguable Theme
ringo writes:
But if the government came for everything you have, you would certainly give it up. They don't take no for an answer.
You make the government sound like the mafia.
And I would not give most apologists anything much less everything.
ringo writes:
If you refuse to do it, it's on you.
Then it will be on me.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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ringo
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Message 655 of 728 (894967)
06-03-2022 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 654 by Phat
06-03-2022 3:29 PM


Re: Giving It All Up. An Arguable Theme
Phat writes:
You make the government sound like the mafia.
The mafia wishes.
Phat writes:
And I would not give most apologists anything much less everything.
You give them an ear.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Phat
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Message 656 of 728 (895016)
06-06-2022 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 655 by ringo
06-03-2022 9:06 PM


Re: Giving It All Up. An Arguable Theme
phat writes:
And I would not give most apologists anything much less everything.
ringo writes:
You give them an ear.
And you do what? Shut your ears to all of them? No wonder you never change.
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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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ringo
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Message 657 of 728 (895032)
06-06-2022 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 656 by Phat
06-06-2022 4:28 AM


Re: Giving It All Up. An Arguable Theme
Phat writes:
And you do what? Shut your ears to all of them?
Think. If I shut my ears to them, how would I know they were liars?
Stop squirming. Discuss apologetics.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 658 of 728 (895043)
06-06-2022 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 647 by AZPaul3
06-02-2022 12:25 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
AZPaul3 writes:
Makes it real difficult to be a christian, yet that is what the man said. If you believe in this crap then your bible says exactly that. Bummer.

I guess you don't qualify as a True Christian® TM © either. You still love your possessions more than you love your god. I guess your satan must be happy then too.
boo hoo ... like I'm real interested in your opinion!
The only opinion that matters to me is that of the Catholic Church.

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Message 659 of 728 (895045)
06-06-2022 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 644 by AZPaul3
06-02-2022 12:00 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
AZPaul3 writes:
Papal Infallibility does not cover your High Priest’s physical actions but only his pronouncements on dogma.
You're on the right track. According to Catholic dogma, the Pope doesn't have to "impeccible" (sinless) to be "infallible" (preserved from officially (ex cathedra) declaring doctrinal error).
And a Pope's personal opinion is irrelevant to the pope's infallibility. It's possible (albeit unlikely) for a Pope to personally disagree with any infallible declaration that he is forced to make.

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Message 660 of 728 (895046)
06-06-2022 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 658 by Dredge
06-06-2022 1:58 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
The only opinion that matters to me is that of the Catholic Church.
You mean at most your twisted mental aberration of that opinion.
Actually, your church's opinions are the lead evil in humanity so I'm not surprised you sign on and twist them even more.
And my statement was not opinion. It was fact. Even the satan part. You believe that, right?
Satan is probably very happy you are not a True Christian® TM ©. After all that is his job, right? To take souls from christ by making them abandon his word?
You do believe in satan, don't you catholic?
And a Pope's personal opinion is irrelevant to the pope's infallibility. It's possible (albeit unlikely) for a Pope to personally disagree with any infallible declaration that he is forced to make.
What's the difference since he's lying through his big pope hat to begin with.
The infallible declarations of your pope add to the mountain of abuse humans suffer under your cult. This is one of the reasons humanity must be rid of you.

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