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Author Topic:   Is witness testimony really to be never taken seriously? Ever?
coffee_addict
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Message 1 of 21 (883502)
12-11-2020 8:18 AM


I recently came across the following news.
https://www.jewishpress.com/...nity-not-yet-ready/2020/12/05
quote:
The UFOs have asked not to publish that they are here, humanity is not ready yet. Trump was on the verge of revealing, but the aliens in the Galactic Federation are saying: Wait, let people calm down first. They don’t want to start mass hysteria. They want to first make us sane and understanding.
They have been waiting for humanity to evolve and reach a stage where we will generally understand what space and spaceships are. There’s an agreement between the US government and the aliens. They signed a contract with us to do experiments here. They, too, are researching and trying to understand the whole fabric of the universe, and they want us as helpers. There’s an underground base in the depths of Mars, where their representatives are, and also our American astronauts.
If I had come up with what I’m saying today five years ago, I would have been hospitalized. Wherever I’ve gone with this in academia, they’ve said: the man has lost his mind. Today they’re already talking differently. I have nothing to lose. I’ve received my degrees and awards, I am respected in universities abroad, where the trend is also changing.
Here are his credentials.
Haim Eshed - Wikipedia
quote:
Haim Eshed (Hebrew: ’’ —; born 1933)[1] is a retired brigadier general in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), professor at the Asher Institute for Space Research at the Technion — Israel Institute of Technology and former director of space programs for the Israel Ministry of Defense for nearly 30 years.[2][3][4][5] He was also an officer in the Israeli Military Intelligence.
In 1967 Eshed was awarded the Chief of Staff Citation, the highest non-combat decoration awarded by the IDF. Throughout his career he also received the Israel Defense Prize - the highest civilian defense honor of the State of Israel - three times, but the reasons remain classified.
Eshed served at the highly secretive Unit 81, which provided technological solutions to the IDF's Military Intelligence Directorate.
Career
He holds a bachelor's degree in electronics engineering from the Technion, a master's degree and a doctorate in aeronautical engineering.
In 1979, as a colonel in Israel's Military Intelligence Directorate, Eshed proposed the establishment of an independent satellite capability in order to collect intelligence from the Sinai after the withdrawal of Egyptian forces.[6]
He was space director during the 2007 launch of the spy satellite Ofek-7, which he said would help with "the Iranian issue".[7]
I know, you guys here along with most other "rational" people will automatically label him as a crackpot.
Reading about this made me realize something. I've been told all my adult life that human testimony is the most unreliable form of evidence in science and logic. Is this really written in stone? Will credentials and a lifetime of achievements count for nothing at all?
I have no idea where this should go as I haven't been on this forum for a long time.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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coffee_addict
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From: Indianapolis, IN
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Message 4 of 21 (883506)
12-11-2020 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
12-11-2020 8:35 AM


Re: Why was Trump even notified?
I am reminded of things like ball lightning, upside down lightning, cosmic ray visual phenomena, etc. All were reported by people with a lot of credentials and all were dismissed by the scientific community. That is until they were proven to be real phenomena.
As a rational person, I keep my mind open to all possibilities.
I have a story. Was going to make a separate topic, but what the heck I'll put it here.
After being an engineer for many years I finally quit and created my own company. I now own a real estate investment company.
Late last year, we bought a victorian era built house. Very big. It is one of those houses where there's a front staircase to the second floor for the family and there's a back one for the servants. Over the winter, I had a couple of employees work on the interior of the house for restoration. They kept seeing what they thought was a woman through the up stair windows. They called the police on multiple occasions thinking it was an intruder or a squatter. At one point, I brought in more guys to secure the place. We checked every corner of it. Attic space. Basement. Crawlspace. Etc. There are 3 doors into the house, and we secured all of them. Those guys kept seeing some woman. Eventually, I just told them don't worry about it finish the damn work.
In the spring time when it was warm enough, I hired a couple of painters to paint the outside of the house. These guys never met the other guys. Completely different party. I set them up and left to go to another project site. One of them called me after about an hour and asked me if I had someone else working inside the house? I said no, just you guys there. Why? He said the other guy said he saw some woman through the windows upstairs. I said nah just keep painting. A few hours later he called again and said hey are you sure there's nobody else here? He was on a ladder painting and looking through the window he saw some woman walking in the hallway. They went in to check it out but didn't find anyone.
Fast forward a couple months later. I had rented the house out to a nice family. A couple months after they moved in, the husband called me and asked if while we were working on the house if we saw anything weird? I said no, why? He said even though he's never seen anything his wife been swearing up and down that several times she saw some woman through the up stair windows but nobody was home. One of the daughters also said the same.
To be clear. I have never seen anything personally. I just find it odd that 3 different groups of people who didn't know each other saw the same thing through the same windows.
It's stuff like this that has made me question the belief that eye witness testimony is NEVER reliable. Why/how would 3 different groups of people who didn't know each other make up the same story about some woman through the same windows?
Why would someone with a boat load of credentials all of a sudden make up crackpot claims about aliens just for book sales?

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 93 days)
Posts: 3645
From: Indianapolis, IN
Joined: 03-29-2004


Message 8 of 21 (883510)
12-11-2020 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
12-11-2020 9:18 AM


Re: Witness testimony?
Dude, the house was built in the Victorian era. I'm not going to spend time looking thru the 130 year history of it to look for an untimely death. Been passed thru many owners.
Edit.
Please don't use the word supernatural. Lightning was once supernatural. Ball lightning, sleep paralysis, etc. All were deemed supernatural and dismissed as crackpot.
I believe that even unexplained things are natural. To proclaim something as supernatural implies that you know everything there is to know about the natural world. And this is hubris beyond any level I can describe.
Edited by coffee_addict, : No reason given.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 93 days)
Posts: 3645
From: Indianapolis, IN
Joined: 03-29-2004


Message 10 of 21 (883512)
12-11-2020 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by AZPaul3
12-11-2020 1:56 PM


Re: bullshit
I think you completely misunderstood the thread topic. It is not about UFO and Haim Eshed. In fact, your kneejerk reaction is a perfect demo of what I was hinting.

If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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