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Tangle
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Message 586 of 610 (908075)
03-07-2023 2:51 AM


In fact, excess death calculations show both how devastating COVID was (and is) and how effective the vaccines are are preventing death. Good piece of analysis by the Economist.
Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries | The Economist

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Message 587 of 610 (908081)
03-07-2023 9:11 AM
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03-06-2023 10:26 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Wherever you're getting these charts from, they're manipulating you by picking the worst data. Over at World in Data where he's getting these charts you can pick your charts and even the endpoints of the charts for Excess Mortality. For Germany he picked a chart that had an endpoint of January 1 and got this:
But if you instead look at the graph for excess deaths over projected (which is nearly identical) the latest date is February 12 and you get this:
Evidently there was a spike in Germany that peaked on December 25, 2022. Maybe the spike was real (more traveling and get togethers during the holidays), maybe it was data driven (more sporadic reporting over the holidays), I don't know, but the more recent data shows that Germany has a lower than average mortality instead of an excess.
I think you should investigate.
--Percy

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Message 588 of 610 (908082)
03-07-2023 11:02 AM
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03-07-2023 9:11 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Taq
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Message 589 of 610 (908083)
03-07-2023 11:02 AM
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03-06-2023 10:26 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Porkncheese writes:
But once the covid injections started being given out in 2021 we should see these deaths drop back down to normality.
Instead we see a continuation of high death rates and some even higher now.
What we should see is hospitalizations and deaths drop amongst those who were vaccinated, and that's exactly what we saw here in the US. In the COVID wave of late 2021 and early 2022, 90-95% of hospitalizations and deaths were amongst the unvaccinated even though the unvaccinated made up less than half the US population.
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In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose. Compared with unvaccinated hospitalized persons, vaccinated hospitalized persons were more likely to be older and have more underlying medical conditions.
COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Adults 18 Years or Older in 13 US States, January 2021 to April 2022 | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network
Fact of the matter is that this is a horrible trend across the world and needs thorough unbias examination and we aren't seeing it.
We aren't see an unbiased examination FROM YOU.

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Message 590 of 610 (908102)
03-07-2023 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 587 by Percy
03-07-2023 9:11 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Wherever you're getting these charts from, they're manipulating you by picking the worst data.
Let's give full credit to Porkncheese. He is trying to manipulate us. Fortunately, it isn't working.

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Message 591 of 610 (908109)
03-07-2023 1:51 PM
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03-07-2023 1:07 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Let's give full credit to Porkncheese. He is trying to manipulate us. Fortunately, it isn't working.
Well, he's really clumsy and obvious about it, plus his own history here has destroyed his credibility so much, that if he ever posted something unbiased and true, it would still not be believed.

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Porkncheese
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Message 592 of 610 (908120)
03-07-2023 7:21 PM
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03-06-2023 10:26 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Very few people really believe in these toxic shots now, this is evident from how few people are taking boosters.
All we have is fools who made a bad choice and can't admit it.
Lets check some more European countries.
By the way all this data is available at our world in data.
Norway
Switzerland
Finland
Portugal
We see the same trend throughout Europe even with covid gone.
The politicians and media should be up in arms, hard at work trying to figure out what is happening if they really cared for our health.
But shhhhh not a word, thats modern day psyence, and censor anyone who questions the vaccine, thats modern psyence
This truly is the definition of pseudo psyence

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Message 593 of 610 (908121)
03-07-2023 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 592 by Porkncheese
03-07-2023 7:21 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
You do realize that no one here believes a word of your fake scare.
If it makes you happy to lie and be a fool then have at it. No one is going to give you any notice let alone credence.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 594 of 610 (908135)
03-08-2023 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 592 by Porkncheese
03-07-2023 7:21 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Here's your graph for Norway whose endpoint is near the peak of the 2022 holiday season:
And here's the same graph that runs almost six weeks further showing the peak was very short, ending just after the 2022 holiday season:
Another factor contributing to excess mortality is that people in the main are no longer following mitigation techniques like isolation and masking, so other respiratory diseases that nearly disappeared during covid like flu and RSV are having a heyday.
--Percy

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Message 595 of 610 (908206)
03-09-2023 12:38 PM
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03-07-2023 7:21 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
porkncheese writes:
Very few people really believe in these toxic shots now, this is evident from how few people are taking boosters.
All we have is fools who made a bad choice and can't admit it.
‚Äč
You still can't address the facts.
quote:
In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose. Compared with unvaccinated hospitalized persons, vaccinated hospitalized persons were more likely to be older and have more underlying medical conditions.
COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations Among Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Adults 18 Years or Older in 13 US States, January 2021 to April 2022 | Critical Care Medicine | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network

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Message 596 of 610 (908306)
03-10-2023 5:27 AM
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03-07-2023 7:21 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
In WW2 there was a 3% increase in total deaths
In WW1 there was a 5% increase in total deaths
We are seeing increases across the world that are up to 100% at some stages
But its not the covid injections, we know they are safe and effective cos they told us so.
Anyone even thinking that is a crazy conspiracy theorist and anyone daring to say it is a terrorist spouting dangerous misinformation that can kill people.
So do not question the needles... LoL... Such a pseudoscience red flag
Lets continue looking at the data from across Europe
Hungary
Poland
Slovakia
Covid and the injections are obvious candidates and are surely both responsible to some degree.
But there is another candidate and that is the ill effects of lockdowns.
In one of our biggest cities in Oz we saw a 16% increase in suicides during lockdowns
We also saw everyone all the sick people in society get shoved to one side and denied treatment while others become too afraid to visit the hospital
So the three most probable causes for this increase in deaths are
Covid
Lockdowns
Injections
We know the injections have produced adverse reactions so it cannot be denied that it is a factor.
The question is how much of a factor. With a 30% rise in heart conditions and rises in blood clots and cancers and all kinds of things the covid injections appear to be causing more damage than covid itself which was nothing more than a cold like virus.
But again, where is the media on this tragic catastrophe, where are our politicians, why is there no concern when there should be a huge investigation?
The answer is obvious... Conflict of interests. Lets not disturb our sponsors

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Percy
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Message 597 of 610 (908308)
03-10-2023 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 596 by Porkncheese
03-10-2023 5:27 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Porkncheese writes:
Covid and the injections are obvious candidates and are surely both responsible to some degree.
To make a case for the vaccine causing increased mortality you need different graphs, one's that distinguish between vaccinated and unvaccinated deaths.
Here's a graph that does just that, from the same source, United States: COVID-19 weekly death rate by vaccination status - Our World in Data:
This graph contradicts your claims. There wasn't a single week when vaccinated deaths exceeded unvaccinated deaths.
--Percy

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Message 598 of 610 (908311)
03-10-2023 9:30 AM
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03-10-2023 5:27 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
But again, where is the media on this tragic catastrophe, where are our politicians, why is there no concern when there should be a huge investigation?
Because it's all fake. Your posts are lies. Deliberate misinformation. You want to sow strife and dread in society. You want to watch the world burn. You are evil.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 599 of 610 (908314)
03-10-2023 11:09 AM
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03-10-2023 5:27 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
porkncheese writes:
So the three most probable causes for this increase in deaths are
Covid
Lockdowns
Injections
The vaccine wasn't killing people. If that were the case then hospitals would have been filling up with people who tested negative for COVID. That wasn't the case. The hospitals filled up with people who tested positive for COVID, and >90% of them were unvaccinated.
You still can't deal with the facts. You are a liar.

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Message 600 of 610 (908348)
03-12-2023 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 596 by Porkncheese
03-10-2023 5:27 AM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Well i could keep going on across Europe its much of the same...
"Unexplained" higher death rates all around and a deafening silence about this massive tragedy.
We don't see this in African countries, hmmm i wonder why. And very few countries in Asia.
We do however see it in these Asian countries which just so happen to be highly vaccinated with the viral vector injections.
Taiwan
South Korea
The fact that no nation is willing to investigate this disaster says it all... Its a disgrace
The toxic needles are killing more people than covid...
To the poor people that were tricked or coerced into taking the experimental needles...
But to those inhumane animals that called for the discrimination of the unvaxed...

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