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dwise1
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Message 481 of 536 (894613)
05-24-2022 10:09 AM
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05-24-2022 10:06 AM


Doctor Who, "11th Hour": "You're Scottish. Fry something!"
In a tea shop in Inverary there were several fried items on display, including a large sausage looking thing. I didn't dare ask.

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Message 482 of 536 (894614)
05-24-2022 10:23 AM
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05-24-2022 10:09 AM


DW1 writes:
In a tea shop in Inverary there were several fried items on display, including a large sausage looking thing. I didn't dare ask.
Probably a deep-fried Mars bar.
Deep-fried Mars bar - Wikipedia
The Scotts will, indeed, fry anything.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 483 of 536 (894615)
05-24-2022 10:26 AM
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05-24-2022 10:23 AM


Over a foot and a half long? Cross section with a diameter of at least 4 inches? One helluva Mars bar!

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Message 484 of 536 (894625)
05-24-2022 1:12 PM
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05-24-2022 10:06 AM


I'm pretty sure they wouldn't know what to do with a pan of water ...
Well, that explains their coffee.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 485 of 536 (894671)
05-26-2022 7:56 AM


Feeling better today but not much energy to do anything. Still testing positive. So far seems exactly like a fairly moderate common cold.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 486 of 536 (894674)
05-26-2022 8:49 AM
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05-26-2022 7:56 AM


That was what it felt like to me when I caught it in January. Our 12 and 15-year-old boys, who probably brought it into the household, had sniffles. We were and are all well vaxed.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 487 of 536 (894675)
05-26-2022 9:06 AM
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05-19-2022 9:36 AM


Re: Hospitalizations
I had planned to post the hospitalization map once a week. It has now been a week, but the current map is identical to last week's map. I do not believe that hospitalizations in every county in the country where they're tracking it has remained unchanged, so I don't think the NYT is bothering to update their hospitalization data. I'll check it now and then to see if there's a change, and when there is I'll post the map next to the previous map.
--Percy

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Message 488 of 536 (894677)
05-26-2022 9:31 AM


Covid Cases Nationally
Here is the 5/7/2022 case rate map next to today's, 5/26/2022, about three weeks later:
Almost the entire country is worse. Mask rates in the grocery store continue around the 10% level. Two people I know have come down with covid over the past week.
I'm signed up to get my second booster soon. Right now it kind of feels like we'll need boosters about every six months. They're only approving boosters for older people, but everyone needs them, because even if it were true (it's not) that younger people don't need to worry about the effects of covid, they're still a vector for older people who do.
And don't believe them when they say young people needn't worry about covid. They don't have the data to back up that statement. They're just saying that because it's what is currently politically acceptable. The reality is that while this illness might leave behind no ill effects, it also has the potential to really mess you up. The latest data (consider it very preliminary) is that vaccines reduce the changes of getting long covid by about 15%. Here's a recent article from the Post:
How many people who catch covid get long covid? Under 65, about 20%. Over 65, about 25%.
Anyone in the US not wearing a mask indoors is taking a significant risk with their health.
I know I'm hammering home a message most people are done with, but we can't ignore reality.
--Percy

  
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Message 489 of 536 (894729)
05-27-2022 12:52 PM


Falsifying death certificates?
I had a brief conversation yesterday with a neighbor who just replaced a fence between our properties and he said that he and the whole crew of friends and relatives that helped him on the project over the last couple weeks got Covid. Some were vaccinated and some not, all survived without serious illness.
Then he said that his son works in a hospital and that he said that if someone is admitted to the hospital from a car crash, they are tested for Covid and if positive and they later die from their injuries the cause of death is listed as Covid.
I told him I didn't believe that was true and asked if this was a hospital policy to falsify the death certificates and why would they do that. Of course there was no answer and he changed the subject, but implied this was some sort of larger nationwide conspiracy.
How would some secret conspiratorial group benefit from false death causes and how could they get agencies and organizations nationwide to be part of such a conspiracy?
We seldom talk and I barely know this neighbor, but after having time to think about it I sure hope I get a chance to ask more questions.

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Message 490 of 536 (894733)
05-27-2022 1:51 PM
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05-27-2022 12:52 PM


Re: Falsifying death certificates?
Then he said that his son works in a hospital and that he said that if someone is admitted to the hospital from a car crash, they are tested for Covid and if positive and they later die from their injuries the cause of death is listed as Covid.
I think that's a right wing talking point. Your neighbor probably listens to FOX and may even be tuned in to Qanon.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 491 of 536 (894736)
05-27-2022 4:02 PM
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05-27-2022 1:51 PM


Re: Falsifying death certificates?
I think that's a right wing talking point. Your neighbor probably listens to FOX and may even be tuned in to Qanon.
That's exactly the vibe I got listening to him.
Early in the pandemic in 2020, there was a right wing talking point along the line that the cause of death of anyone with the so-called co-morbidities who had Covid, even if they had to be intubated in the hospital, really died from the co-morbidities.
This was was an illogical and irrational attempt by the right wing media and politicians to deny that Covid really existed or was dangerous. This bullshit propaganda succeeded in mindwiping 70+ million Americans.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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dwise1
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Message 492 of 536 (894738)
05-27-2022 4:15 PM
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05-27-2022 4:02 PM


Re: Falsifying death certificates?
And don't you just hate it when, like for decades with those urban legends, the teller claims to be reporting something that a close relative or close friend had actually seen.
Le plus ça change, le plus la même chose.

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Percy
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Message 493 of 536 (894739)
05-27-2022 4:43 PM
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05-27-2022 4:15 PM


Re: Falsifying death certificates?
Just continuing on this topic, my relative the conspiracy theorist says it this way, that no matter what anyone dies of, if they have covid then covid is listed as the cause of death.
--Percy

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Message 494 of 536 (894740)
05-27-2022 4:44 PM
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05-27-2022 4:15 PM


Re: Falsifying death certificates?
And don't you just hate it when, like for decades with those urban legends, the teller claims to be reporting something that a close relative or close friend had actually seen.
Yep! I'm thinking of a bunch of things I wish I had said or asked. Like was your relative the one filing fraudulent death certificates?
Strange times, but they feel familiar.
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Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tangle
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Message 495 of 536 (894741)
05-27-2022 4:51 PM


Interesting phenomenon using lateral flow tests.
On Monday I had a strong red line appear very quickly and I felt pretty rubbish.
Thursday I'm feeling better and the line takes 30 minutes to appear and is quite faint.
Today it's so faint I can only see it if I really try.
Seems like it's analogue :-)

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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