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Message 591 of 1110 (908109)
03-07-2023 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 590 by nwr
03-07-2023 1:07 PM


Re: Excess deaths across the west
Let's give full credit to Porkncheese. He is trying to manipulate us. Fortunately, it isn't working.
Well, he's really clumsy and obvious about it, plus his own history here has destroyed his credibility so much, that if he ever posted something unbiased and true, it would still not be believed.

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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 631 of 1110 (909803)
04-11-2023 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 619 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 11:23 AM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Is a person that knowingly has HIV (or any other STD) that has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person that he/she has that disease doing anything wrong?
What do you think?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 633 of 1110 (909806)
04-11-2023 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 632 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 2:39 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Tanypteryx writes:
Kleinman writes:
Is a person that knowingly has HIV (or any other STD) that has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person that he/she has that disease doing anything wrong?
What do you think?
Kleinman writes:
Do you think that everyone with a contagious disease should be locked up?
What do you think?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 635 of 1110 (909808)
04-11-2023 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 634 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 3:06 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Tanypteryx writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
Kleinman writes:
Is a person that knowingly has HIV (or any other STD) that has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person that he/she has that disease doing anything wrong?
What do you think?
Kleinman writes:
Do you think that everyone with a contagious disease should be locked up?
What do you think?
Kleinman writes:
How about someone that doesn't have a contagious disease but doesn't get the covid vaccine, should they be locked up?
What do you think?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 637 of 1110 (909813)
04-11-2023 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 636 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 3:30 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
I think you should be locked up for the harm you have done to people with drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments because of your failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
So, I guess we can add cause and effect to the list of principles you fail to comprehend.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 640 of 1110 (909817)
04-11-2023 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 638 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 4:11 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
Use your understanding of cause and effect to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You won't.
Use your understanding of cause and effect to explain why no one is citing any of your papers. You won't.
Blame it on the people who pointed out your errors. Do you even understand how science works?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 644 of 1110 (909822)
04-11-2023 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 643 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 4:45 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
I blame biologists like you for the failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
Like I said, you always blame it on the people who pointed out your dangerous errors.
It's amazing how many infections have been avoided with N95 facemasks and hand washing!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 647 of 1110 (909825)
04-11-2023 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 643 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 4:45 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
I blame biologists like you for the failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
It's too bad you didn't notice the lessons of the Covid pandemic. I don't know the percentage of the population, but I suspect more than 50%, will not heed the health care warnings or advise of any scientist or medical researcher or anyone with advanced training or knowledge. They don't listen to any explanations of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
So, what's your plan?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 651 of 1110 (909829)
04-11-2023 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 649 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 5:46 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
OK, so you have no plan.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 653 of 1110 (909831)
04-11-2023 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 652 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 6:02 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
What plan?
Your plan to cure cancer and antibiotic resistant infections, etc. that you are always boasting about, obviously. Why are you wasting all this time and all those lives ranting at biologists on the internet, when you could be saving all the people you like.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 655 of 1110 (909834)
04-11-2023 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 654 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 7:32 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
You don't understand my plans
Correct, that's why I asked what your plan is. You really sound like a quack.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 722 of 1110 (909931)
04-13-2023 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 721 by Kleinman
04-13-2023 2:57 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated?
And how many people got Covid and didn't wear a mask or get vaccinated?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 724 of 1110 (909934)
04-13-2023 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by Kleinman
04-13-2023 3:17 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Tanypteryx writes:
Kleinman writes:
How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated?
And how many people got Covid and didn't wear a mask or get vaccinated?
Kleinman writes:
Don't you think those numbers should be compared to see if vaccinations and masks were effective?
Yes.
And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons, but the accuracy of people self reporting their own behavior during the pandemic lowers confidence in those surveys.
Statistics gathered from the U.S. with 50 different state governments and the governments of 195 other countries, mandating highly variable public health policies that also morphed considerably over the course of the pandemic, should give us firmer data on what policies were most effective at protecting from infection and severe outcomes.
There is more than a century worth of data on the effectiveness of both masking and vaccines in reducing infections and their severity. The Covid pandemic illustrated to the planet how unprepared for a pandemic we are and how poorly informed the public is about science and health subjects. The U.S. population discovered that almost all basic medical supplies are manufactured somewhere else and that supply lines for basic necessities are quite fragile.
Medical personnel and public health officials knew almost nothing about this virus or the illness when the pandemic began and medical advice and treatment changed as the world learned more about the first major global pandemic in a century.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 726 of 1110 (909937)
04-13-2023 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 725 by Kleinman
04-13-2023 4:19 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Tanypteryx writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
Kleinman writes:
How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated?
And how many people got Covid and didn't wear a mask or get vaccinated?
Kleinman writes:
Don't you think those numbers should be compared to see if vaccinations and masks were effective?
Yes.
And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons, but the accuracy of people self reporting their own behavior during the pandemic lowers confidence in those surveys.
Kleinman writes:
Are you claiming that you don't know whether Covid vaccinations and masks work?
No.
Are you claiming that data has not been collected on the effectiveness of masks and vaccination during the Covid pandemic?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 728 of 1110 (909940)
04-13-2023 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 727 by Kleinman
04-13-2023 4:49 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Tanypteryx writes:
Kleinman writes:
Are you claiming that you don't know whether Covid vaccinations and masks work?
No.
Are you claiming that data has not been collected on the effectiveness of masks and vaccination during the Covid pandemic?
Kleinman writes:
You just said that the data is not trustworthy.
Tanypteryx writes:
And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons, but the accuracy of people self reporting their own behavior during the pandemic lowers confidence in those surveys.
No I did not say that. I said that I do not know the accuracy surveys of people self reporting their masking behavior.
Kleinman writes:
Do you have the data or not? If you do post it and show us where you got it.
I said, "And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons."
Multiple organizations collected, analyzed, and published epidemiological data during the progression of the Covid pandemic. This data was published in many scientific journals and on the WWW. Feel free to dispute that.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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