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Tanypteryx
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Message 340 of 1110 (892748)
03-13-2022 11:52 AM


Mask mandates expire
The mask mandates have expired here in Oregon this weekend. It will be interesting to see if Covid rates rise again. Our family will continue to avoid other people and will continue to wear masks when contact is unavoidable.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 346 of 1110 (892826)
03-15-2022 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 343 by dwise1
03-15-2022 12:03 AM


Re: A Few Ways to Deal With Mask-holes
I like #2.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 352 of 1110 (892854)
03-15-2022 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 351 by Percy
03-15-2022 8:20 PM


The consensus that might be emerging is that covid will become endemic with at least annual booster shots necessary.
This might be a good time to mention again that infections and vaccines do not provide immunity. What they do is prime the body's immune system to fight off the next infection, should there be one, making it less likely that it will become full blown illness.
We are at 6 months since our boosters, but figure what kept us from getting it during the previous waves will keep working... isolation and masking. Curb side pickup for groceries has remained my wife's favorite mode.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 356 of 1110 (892860)
03-15-2022 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 354 by dwise1
03-15-2022 9:17 PM


Yeah, we may see a fee for curbside. I find that if I am at the store when they open I am the only customer. This usually a quick stop to pickup just a few items.
At Costco there are always 30 or 40 old people like me waiting. I can be in and out in 15 minutes and I only have to pick up things there once every 3 months or so. During the pandemic they dropped several of the products I liked to get there because of volume and price, so I have found those sizes online with free 1-2 day shipping.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 359 of 1110 (892863)
03-16-2022 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 358 by xongsmith
03-16-2022 12:04 AM


Re: 2nd booster?
He didn't even mention the chem trails.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 362 of 1110 (893036)
03-24-2022 11:26 AM


US passes 1 million deaths
Coronavirus Worldometer
quote:
Deaths: 1,001,175

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 365 of 1110 (893041)
03-24-2022 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 364 by jar
03-24-2022 2:28 PM


Re: US passes 1 million deaths
quote:
Worldwide Coronavirus Cases:
477,312,885
Deaths:
6,130,814
Recovered:
412,392,966
I'm not sure where the other 58,789,105 cases are. (Worldwide cases- recovered-deaths)
jar writes:
The good news is that the death rate is still under 2% of the known infected population; just over 1% in fact. Since it's most likely that the known infection number is grossly understated the actual death rate is more likely under 1%.
When you look at the overall numbers it looks like we got lucky. Trying to imagine a death rate of 5% or 10%... Seeing hospitals overwhelmed with patients and dead bodies though made it seem worse, to me , on a personal level.
We can see pretty clearly now that a pathogen with a long symptom free incubation and contagious period cannot be stopped from becoming a global pandemic.
jar writes:
That's still unacceptably high and ignores the still developing long term effects of Covid-19 but better than might be expected.
I will not be surprised if we find that Long Covid may effect most survivors. And lets hope there isn't some longer term Gotcha like Shingles from Chickenpox.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 374 of 1110 (893120)
03-27-2022 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 373 by AZPaul3
03-27-2022 1:47 PM


Re: We're Giving Up Too Soon
I know the pathology leaves a lot of vulnerable victims to the stupid but the majority of the deadly cases should be among the stupid themselves who will not follow health guidelines because, freedom.
And it appears to be mostly a red state thing (deep in the heart of Trump MAGA land) so I say let nature take her course.
Well, the vulnerable victims keep this from being a silver lining, but I think of it as a shiny lining. Lots of the vulnerable now have lots of valuable data from 2 years of this pandemic to make informed decisions about staying uninfected. It's looking like more and more of the infected are also the stupid.
I keep reading articles about possible super vaccines that will target multiple vulnerabilities of all variants SARS-CoV-2 virus, but also the same for all Coronaviruses.
We clearly have the technology and all the variants' genomes have been sequenced, so why aren't these developed yet and in clinical trials?
That reminds me I'm going to schedule the 1st shot of the newest shingles vaccine this week.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 387 of 1110 (893268)
04-02-2022 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 386 by Percy
04-02-2022 3:45 PM


Re: Lethality dependent on location
Looking this up, the high death rate seems to be because of the huge number of deaths early in the pandemic before vaccines became available.
That seems most likely to me too. Plus there were huge shortages of ventilators and other key medical supplies. And there was hardly any experience at treating Covid.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 389 of 1110 (893283)
04-02-2022 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 388 by jar
04-02-2022 6:26 PM


Re: Lethality dependent on location
And NYC was at the center of the 1st really big outbreak in the US. Remember Cuomo on TV every day begging for ventilators? I can remember thinking it was going to be like that where I live and being SO FUCKING ANGRY AT TRUMP!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 391 of 1110 (893295)
04-03-2022 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 384 by jar
04-01-2022 11:36 AM


Re: Going 4 for 4 on the 4th.
Scheduled for #4 Monday.
My wife and I are scheduled this week too. We got Pfizer for the 1st 3 shots but are going with Moderna this time.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 393 of 1110 (893309)
04-04-2022 11:20 AM


Is the CDC Trustworthy?
I ran across this article yesterday that seems to confirm my feelings of doubt about the reliability of the CDC. Watching the CDC become a propaganda instrument for the Trump Covid response during the first year of the pandemic was alarming to me personally. Trying to figure out what was actually happening inside the CDC was impossible because all we got was statements from a couple spokespeople about the severity and what we as individuals should do to protect ourselves that seemed to defy obvious public health guidelines. Facemasks clearly work to protect the wearer AND others.
Anyway, my trust in CDC increased after Trump, but as the pandemic has continued, while strongly advocating vaccination their other guidelines kept raising doubts in my my mind.
The CDC is beholden to corporations and lost our trust. We need to start our own
The People's CDC
quote:
We’re epidemiologists, nurses and physicians, artists and biologists. We have come together with a common anger at the US government’s handling of Covid
quote:
Anew omicron variant, referred to as BA 2, is taking hold in the US. Anthony Fauci and others have said they don’t expect a new surge in the US, but BA.2 is causing devastating surges elsewhere, and the policies and behaviors we might use to prevent a surge in the US have been widely abandoned, in part thanks to the CDC’s new system for measuring and conveying Covid risk.
In late February, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) unveiled a new Covid-19 monitoring system based on what they call “Community Levels.” By downplaying the importance of Sars-CoV-2 transmission, the new system instantly turned what was a pandemic map still red from Omicron transmission to green – creating the false impression that the pandemic is over.
quote:
Released four days before the State of the Union, the new CDC measures and the narrative they created let President Biden claim victory over the virus via sleight of hand: a switch from standard reporting of community transmissions to measures of risk based largely on contentious hospital-based metrics. The previous guidelines called anything over 50 cases per 100,000 people “substantial or high.” Now, they say 200 cases per 100,000 is “low” as long as hospitalizations are also low.
The resulting shift from a red map to a green one reflected no real reduction in transmission risk. It was a resort to rhetoric: an effort to craft a success story that would explain away hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths and the continued threat the virus poses.
quote:
These new guidelines are at odds with evidence-based and equitable public health practice in three fundamental ways.
First, they do not intend to prevent disease spread. By minimizing the importance of new cases, and focusing instead on hospitalizations–a lagging indicator–the revamped warning system delays action until surges are well underway and the consequences of severe disease and death are already in motion. Making matters worse, at-home tests are not recorded in the US, so the only “early indicator” in the risk level calculation grossly undercounts the true number of cases.
The justification for the shift is that the virus is mostly harmless– a claim which not only ignores that one million have already died in the US alone, but also completely erases the reality of Long Covid. Studies indicate that 10-30% of Covid infections deteriorate into multiple debilitating syndromes lasting months to years. Minimizing Covid’s risks to the public will only increase these harms in our communities.
quote:
Some claim that the White House and the CDC are “following the science” and doing the best they can in these times. But if the goal is to prevent infection and suffering, the updated recommendations do not align with science or equity. It’s more accurate to say they’re following the money. They’ve put the desires of corporate America above the needs of our people, and especially our most vulnerable.
We need a CDC that prioritizes the health of the people, not the health of big business. We need a People’s CDC. And so we formed one.
We’re epidemiologists and physicians, artists and biologists. We’re children, parents, and grandparents. We’re living with Long Covid and losses of loved ones. We’ve come together with a common anger at our government’s disregard for social and public health responsibilities. Though many of us have just met, we inherit hundreds of years of resistance traditions.
We greet this work with humility, recognizing there are still many uncertainties about new variants, Long Covid, and the future of therapeutics. Yet we know enough to reject, with certainty, ineffectual public health policies based on individualistic approaches. And we are certain that there is another way - that collective action has always and can now create a new way forward in responding to Covid and other deadly pathogens.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 395 of 1110 (893345)
04-06-2022 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 392 by jar
04-03-2022 1:07 PM


Re: Going 4 for 4 on the 4th.
I got #4 today. Moderna so the microchips are from google.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 397 of 1110 (893347)
04-06-2022 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 396 by dwise1
04-06-2022 11:38 PM


Re: Going 4 for 4 on the 4th.
And you can only run their software and you have to wear turtlenecks!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 402 of 1110 (893352)
04-07-2022 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 399 by xongsmith
04-07-2022 3:41 AM


Re: Going 4 for 4 on the 4th.
My arm aches like hell!!!!! And woke 2 hours early with a headache.
I transfer files from my imaging computer to my phone and laptop via email, They are all ~1mb jpegs. The imaging computer is only connected to the web via cable and only when I boot up and start my Adobe Photoshop suite, download a new virus definition or want to transfer files.
When I was working I had the only PC in the whole department (to run my imaging system), but they made me have a Mac laptop also. I kept it in a desk drawer and used it to enter my time sheet at the end of every month. I kept backups of my files on their server, but also on external hard drives so I could bring stuff home to work on it. Not a single IT person knew anything about PCs so I had to do all my own trouble shooting. The Apple network routinely deleted files and seemed like it fucked up productivity continuously. They tried to make me use an I-phone but I never charged it so they took it back. All that bullshit about Apple being better on graphics was a huge marketing lie. And no one writes software packages to connect Macs to instruments.
One crazy thing though, they could update the Mac operating system on my laptop, even when it was turned off in my drawer, via the building Wi-Fi, spooky.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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