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Author | Topic: Trump and Trump supporters keep using the Y2K Fallacy, and it is driving me crazy | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Yes. Sre you suggesting that if we all pitch in, the suffering will be less?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Where I live, the year 2000 started in January and January can be very cold. So the local power company spent a lot of time and money to make sure that when the time came there would be no frozen customers. They even set their clocks forward so that the rollover happened in October when they could fix any remaining problems without loss of life.
"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
They changed the time to test their fixes of the Y2K bug. If they hadn't fixed it, the grid certainly might have gone dark on Jan 1, 2000. And with temperatures colder than -20 Celsius, customers would have literally frozen. How would changing the time on a clock result in "frozen customers"? When they had fixed all the bugs they could find, on Oct something, they ran the system as if it was Dec 31, 1999 to see if they had missed any. I don't know what their clocks read on the actual Dec 31, 1999."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
They changed the date in the software, the date that the software compares with the clock date.
Suppose you went into a power plant, or a network of power plants and the associated distribution network, and changed the date on all the clocks to something incorrect. Sarah Bellum writes:
I don't know. It's possible that the billing side of the software could be isolated from the operational side. It would seem to me that that would be good software design.
Would people's bills be calculated incorrectly? Sarah Bellum writes:
The usage has nothing to do with it. They were concerned about possible interruptions.
Would the time change affect settings that affect usage estimates because it assumed the weather would be different? Sarah Bellum writes:
You're claiming knowledge that you couldn't possibly have. Software problems can certainly cause catastrophes. They may also be mere nuisances. That's all the Y2K problem ever was."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Well, they did tell us, or I wouldn't have known about it to tell the anecdote. There were serious Y2K bugs and programmers caught every single one of them, fixed them and didn't tell anyone they'd prevented the sky from falling. ...or..."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
Winter in Saskatchewan without power IS apocalyptic. ... as bugs go, it was mundane, rather than apocalyptic."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Don't make yourself look even stupider. Hmm, wasn't Global Warming supposed to alleviate that problem by now? If global warming made the winter of 1999-2000 minus 25 instead of minus 30, how would that save any lives?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
The point is that there is no apocalyptic difference between -25 and -30. Like there's no difference between beheading somebody and shooting him before you behead him. Dead is dead, at -25 or -30. You can't wish away global warming by claiming that -25 is "not as bad as" -30.
The idea that the globe is boiling is one thing. The idea that the winter is -25 rather than -30 is quite a different thing. And that's the point. Sarah Bellum writes:
That's one way to avoid learning anything. ... no wonder I only check in here every month or so!"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
It isn't. Where did you get that idea? If social media is how you keep yourself "informed"... When I heard that there was fake news on Facebook, my first reaction was, "There's news on Facebook?" My second reaction was, "What kind of idiot would get his news from Facebook?""I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
When they talk about social media on the news, they're not talking about EvC. Social media sites - e.g. Facebook, which I mentioned explicitly in the post you're replying to - are inherently subjective, which is why they are worthless as news sources. EvC tries to be as objective as possible, which makes it diametrically opposite to a social media site.
Meaning I didn't check this particular social media site (evcforum.net) very often. Sarah Bellum writes:
Where on earth did you get that idea? I do read your posts. How else could I respond to them? If you're not going to read my posts, why do you bother to respond to them?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
I'd say your quite prone to that yourself. It's a drag to be caught doing it, which also may be a factor in you driving by infrequently.
It's easy to respond to posts without reading them. Just click the "reply" button and let your fingers start typing whatever comes into their little minds. But it's kind of a drag to watch that sort of thing. So I don't come here that often. Sarah Bellum writes:
You're certainly welcome to show how unreliable EvC is. As for "social media", if you're saying the EvC social media site is somehow more "reliable" as a source of information than FaceBook.... As for "social media", you said in Message 91quote:to which I replied in Message 93 quote:and I continued, quote:End of post. I was referring to Facebook and Facebook only, not EvC."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
It isn't an artificial distinction. EvC is fact-checked by its members, with links to the actual facts.
There's hardly any point in making an artificial distinction, FaceBook bad, EvC good... Sarah Bellum writes:
You're misusing that image. The pigs started the "two legs bad" chant but then they became just like the two-legged villains. The equivalent would be EvC changing to become just like Facebook. ...four legs good, two legs . . . Edited by ringo, : Srelling."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Look a little farther. As I said in Message 123, they provide links to the actual facts. As far as I can see, the "fact-checking" in both places consists of some posters looking at other peoples' posts and doing some research (or not, as the case may be) before making replies to dispute (or agree with) those posts."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
Homer Simpson said that whenever he learned something new, it pushed something else out of his brain. Maybe that applies collectively too: When one person becomes smarter, somebody else becomes stupider, to balance it out. As an observer it sure looks like people are getting stupider."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 731 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Sarah Bellum writes:
Bullshit. Facebook has links to opinions more than facts. People posting on Facebook post links all the time, to actual facts as often as posters do here."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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