the big lie: evolution, the beasts: darwin, hitler and nero.

Cristian I will indulge you only because I am a believer and I understand that you are either a troll who has no interest in your audience or you are a believer who is zealous yet immature in the faith. I suspect that you are immature in the faith. I see that AZPaul3 has addressed this somewhat. I get challenged and laughed at by AZPaul3 also, but I respect the challenge as a way to more fully define my own thoughts on these issues. Well I know this is true in politics. I prefer to phrase it like this: Some people repeat what they have been told by other sourses who also repeat what they heard on Fox News. My critics accuse me of repeating what I hear from Christian Apologists or other Christians, which I am guilty of, chiefly because we all largely agree on scriptural interpretation and the interpretations that many raise here, mainly from atheists and critically thinking Episcopalians who tell me to *throw God Away* are ludicrous to me. I think that they surely must be out of touch.I try and discuss differences when I write here. I do layout my beliefs, however. What are yours?

Is Jesus Christ alive in Spirit today? Are there basically two groups...two "bodies" on the earth today? I believe that there soon will be. The Wheat and the Tares.
The Body of Christ and the headless body of humans running after evidence, self-actualization, and other hogwash. But eno0ugh about beliefs. This is a Science Forum and we are expected to bring evidence. In matters of Faith & Belief, I use more subjective experience and intuition but I know I can't do that here.

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The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

Of course not. You rely entirely on evidence. Which works ok for the age of the earth and origin of species, but not for the idea that God exists and is in communion with humanity should we want it. I will concede, however, that objective evidence is lacking.

You have to understand how unbelievers (or shall I call them nonbelievers and/or atheists) think by and large.You and I can say to each other that there is only One God Who spoke to humanity through the inspired human writings of a particular set of books and that Jesus was in the Beginning and was and is alive today and that in fact, Jesus existed long before the book was even written down...and even before the oral traditions attempted to describe monotheism, relating to this One God Who is I AM, and Who was, is, and always shall be. I believe this stuff. I have had encounters with what I concluded was the supernatural realm. My critics will tell me that surely I was and am deluded since by their own "book" (the hypothetical book of evidence, logic, reason, and reality) God does not exist and only exists as a character in many human-derived writings and books.Thus, you can quote scripture to them and they will remain unimpressed and even slightly annoyed by your "trolling" behavior at this cherished science forum that they hang out at.As an administrator, I got on your case from day one not because you were doing something wrong apart from circumventing our Forum Guidelines but because I knew that your approach would not work and would merely clutter up a forum littered with many dead writings by many long departed Biblical creationists who continue to try and convince these science-based minds here at EvC that God is alive and that creationism is a valid alternative concept to Biological Evolution and the Scientific Method of Critical Thinking.The bottom line is that you need to get to know the audience before simply walking in and trying to teach them something that they have seen come at them a thousand times. That's all I was and am trying to say to you. We have very few creationists who even stay here. I myself am a believer and what I would call a Cosmological Creationist in that I believe that God(Yes, Jesus Father) was the uncaused first cause of the Universe (Multiverse?) and is the same yesterday, today, and forever in each and every alternate universe ever to be found.I argue here mainly to try and sharpen my own arguments. My critics and I rarely see eye to eye and likely never will. Nonetheless, I love them and get frustrated at them much as would happen in a large dysfunctional family. To them, I am perhaps a crazy, stubborn misguided Uncle. To me, many of them are perhaps the same thing.

As long as we are in a hypothetical conversation about God and gods, I thought I would add my 2 cents. Hinduism seems to be a blend of pantheism and polytheism. There is a distinct and basic difference between a Creator of all seen and unseen and a Creator/creation of all seen and unseen. The idea itself incorporates our own pet god of the moment as an allowable part of Braman.I know that you are a Zen Deist kinda guy, and I know that anglagard is a Spinoza Pantheist, so I will tread lightly out of respect while I do some research and hash out my own belief on this topic describing the Creator of all seen and unseen seen through the lens of Jesus vs being seen through other lenses. Yes, and the Hindus would allow many to have their own god. Wrapping up the whole pantheistic model in their version of the Creator of all seen and unseen.The problem starts with Jesus. You can't just wrap Him up in a package with everyone else god and label it under the Supreme Pantheistic One. Christianity is exclusive rather than inclusive and it is why we have these arguments.

There are many paths up the mountain, but only One God looking down each path at all of us and inviting us up. The reason that Jesus Christ is exclusive is that He is that image at the top. Jesus would have no problem with a person from any and all religions to come to Him. Without Jesus, Allah is an unknown God. The OT has many descriptions of many gods labeled as God, but God can only be known through the lens of Jesus Christ.As for the question of why I "believe" in evolution, I don't believe in evolution any more than I believe in gravity. I merely observe the effects.I believe that there is an uncaused first cause Who is knowable through Jesus Christ and that God(as I name this cause) created all that is seen and unseen. I am not interested in Biblical Creationism, however. It does not line up with science.

Tell me more about Jesus. How often do you pray and commune with Him?I'm curious...I love discussing spirituality with others, both believers and nonbelievers. I have a few questions.

You say you "became saved" at age 12. How old are you now, if I might ask?

What made you come to EvC Forum? Are you involved in dialogue with others about Creationism vs Evolution? Do you see a conflict? What does Jesus tell you in your prayers?

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The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

And Jesus has to be a Bronze Age myth, am I right? He has hung in for 118 posts so far. If you talk to people nicely they sometimes stay around but if you dogpile everyone who comes here to challenge science, you get conclusive proof that you can attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. So, Tangled one, are you ready for another season of fishing?

I will have to respectfully disagree with you here. I have reason to believe that you are wrong in these assertions. There is so much that you don't understand about our dogmatic reasoning. Either that or you think that you *do* understand yet find it unbelievable. Oh? Show me this evidence. I have observed different conclusions.

Truth! And that goes for all of us. Some things are not evident at first.

If I am, in fact, the evidence then it is time to make a video, though you likely can't watch it at that library. I'm better at speaking than I am at writing, however.

Do you think that the answers already exist and are simply waiting to be "discovered" by humanity or do you believe that as we learn we ourselves create the answers through critical thinking? Your answer will further explain your world view.

All that Im doing is showing that your line of reasoning limits what Jesus actually told the Disciples about His character and reframes the reality as limiting Jesus to a character in a book and irrelevant when it suits you yet you have the audacity to charge me with ignoring what a character in a book says when it suits your argument. Stop calling bullshit on what is patently obvious. Surely your brain and the brain of so many others reframes the whole concept of religion and belief within the power of humans to change and redefine at whim. You call my belief BS simply because you wont consider it. And yet you claim that I ignore what He said to do....if only you could see what we were doing last night....you would take back your claim.

There are several articles online by different researchers that support my claim.
The Most Persecuted Religion in the World by Kelly James Clark, a Senior Research Fellow at the Kaufman Institute, Grand Valley State University.
What evidence do you have that suggests otherwise?

Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I AM.

That is a good point, and I don't pretend to ignore the atrocities done "in the name of Christianity or Jesus" but I will defend the basic message due to the fact that I ascribe to the belief fully and likely would dismiss the actions by saying that though they were real Christians they were unchanged and not transformed. Not to say that we have been given this great gift fully either. Who knows? God may decide to bless the secular humanists and atheists with the Spirit despite the fact they dont believe He exists. Stranger things have happened and (I predict) will happen.