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Author Topic:   Morality without God is impossible
GDR
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Message 394 of 472 (912843)
10-03-2023 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by Tangle
10-03-2023 3:58 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Tangle writes:
How can I agree with a bunch of cherry-picked anecdotes?

If I was trying to make the case for something, I'd present real, balanced supporting evidence. Do you want to try again? Maybe you're right, prove it to me.
Frankly it wasn't about trying to prove anything. I was just presenting my peronal experience and observations. A friend was telling me the other day that her daughter went over to a friend's house and found her to have hanged herself.
It just seems to me to be a difficult time for kids growing up. I just remember my own childhood and particularly that age of innocence that just doesn't seem to be available to kids now.
On the other hand I meet so many great young people that have navigated through all of that and have come out on the other side as great people, and that includes my grandkids. It is the ones that can't deal with things that concerns me.
Tangle writes:
We don't; as I've said many times over the years but it never sticks because you guys can never bring yourselves to believe it., I believed the same things that you do now once.
I wonder what you did believe. Candle2 and I both call ourselves Christians but we have very different perspectives on both the nature of God as well as in our theology.
I never did call myself an atheist but frankly it wasn't relevant to me and if I had to call myself something I would probably just come up with agnostic. I didn't become Christian until I was well into my thirties and my Christian beliefs and evolved considerably since then and they continue to evolve.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 396 of 472 (912845)
10-03-2023 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Tangle
10-03-2023 5:10 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Tangle writes:

You don't know how to work out whether something you feel is actually factually correct. Remember polio? I had a friend die of measles. How are you going to balance all the pluses and minuses and not just see the minuses?
That's always a problem no matter which side of the question you're on. It does seem to me though that there is a lot of anger out there.
Tangle writes:
You see? You can't believe it possible, no matter what I say, you and Phat and Faith just can't believe that I believed as strongly as you do now. It's literally beyond your comprehension.
Not really. There is many versions of Christianity beyond just denominational groups. YOu are hardly unique amongst atheists who were former Christians.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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GDR
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Message 418 of 472 (913283)
10-21-2023 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by sensei
10-13-2023 3:18 AM


Re: A Universal Morality
sensei writes:

As others have pointed out, each culture, society and each person even, can have their own morality and set of rules.
Sure, but rules that we come up with are not the same thing as morality. They are simply the way we govern our lives.
sensei writes:
But putting things in another perspective, without god or life hereafter, our lives are just tiny fractions of the billions of years of time, our existence on this planet is just as tiny dust in the vast space of the universe of countless of galaxies.
I just don't see that as relevant in thinking about an absolute reality. For one thing current science tells us that the universe was once infinitely small. The universe is what we perceive and theoretical science is always speculating about other dimensions and universes.
sensei writes:
Although we are quite meaningles in the grander scheme of things, to each person, what they observe through their senses, it's the whole world to them.
I see it differently. I contend that there is a universal morality. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would want them to treat you is ubiquitous in both the religious world and the secular world. However, as individuals we can observe that to whatever degree we want and even reject it completely. Even within that concept there is considerable ambiguity as things aren't always black or white.
I'm not sure if this post answers the point you were making or not.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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