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Message 61 of 68 (867959)
12-05-2019 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Faith
12-05-2019 5:34 AM

Re: Weasel words, not justice
Faith writes:

He IS completely open and transparent. Nothing you are saying about his supposedly hiding things is true. He's all out there. His taxes have nothing to do with the impeachment, they are his own business.

It doesn't matter whose business they are. If he didn't submit them, he isn't transparent or open.

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Message 62 of 68 (867961)
12-05-2019 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Faith
12-04-2019 6:57 PM

Re: Weasel words, not justice
Faith writes:

We on the Right take it as simple truth, and since there is no evidence whatever of a quid pro quo our position seems the valid one.

We do have evidence of a quid pro quo. We have Trump's own staff stating clearly that there was a quid pro quo. Even Mulvaney stated that there was a quid pro quo live on television. He said to get over it.

Trump wanted only, all along, from the beginning, it's what he actually said in the phone call, that Zelensky would look into the corruptions in his own country that involved interference in our elections.

Trump asked Zelensky to investigate the Bidens. What in the world does that have to do with interference in our elections?

He later added they should look into the allegations concerning Biden's quid pro quo to fire a prosecutor who was looking into the company where his son worked, or he'd withhold billions in aid.

Trump would only need to look into our own records in the US to find the truth. Why didn't he? If Biden did something wrong, then why not start an investigation here in the US? We know why Trump didn't do this, because Biden didn't do anything wrong. Biden was following US policy and supporting national interests when he pushed for the firing of a corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor who was refusing to pursue investigations of corruption. Biden was fighting corruption in Ukraine with the support of the US government and the governments of our allies.

All Trump wanted was for Zelensky to get on TV and call Biden a criminal. Trump didn't care if an investigation actually went forward, he just wanted the sound bite.

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Message 63 of 68 (867969)
12-05-2019 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by frako
12-05-2019 11:02 AM

add the other deliverable - the announcement on CNN

Here is the timeline, and Obama did give aid to Ukraine.

Now add the other "deliverable" -- the public announcement by Zelenski on CNN that Ukraine is opening an investigation into Biden, cloudstrike and Ukraine interference in the 2016 election.

CNN host was set to interview Ukrainian President until scandal took shape

CNN host Fareed Zakaria said on Thursday that he had been set to interview Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky before news about the Ukrainian's call with President Donald Trump broke.

The New York Times reported on Thursday that Zelensky had planned to announce an investigation into Trump's political rivals during a September interview on CNN, but those plans had been scrapped once Trump released promised security aid. Zakaria told CNN's Brooke Baldwin on Thursday that the interview had been months in the making, but it fell apart when the Ukraine scandal began to unfold -- though CNN did not cancel it.

"We had been negotiating with President Zelensky and his office for a while, for months, to try to get an interview with him anyway, ever since he was elected President," Zakaria, host of "Fareed Zakaria GPS," told Baldwin.

Once news of the whistleblower's complaint surfaced, "it became clear to us that the interview was off," he continued.

The Times reported that the decision to unfreeze the aid to Ukraine erased the need for Zelensky's televised appearance.

Almost all of Zelensky's aides supported the planned announcement on the show, one of the officials who debated the issue told the Times. They agreed that American military aid and diplomatic support during upcoming peace talks were worth the risk of seeming to support Trump in the American political process, the paper reported.

Again, cancelled with no reason given and the only connection is the announced investigation into the whistleblower report.

Trumpty caught with his tiny hands in the cookie jar and crumbs on his jacket.

and like a child, saying "I didn't do it" ... with the evidence swirling around him.


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Message 64 of 68 (867994)
12-05-2019 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
12-05-2019 5:59 AM

Faith writes:

...but I do know that Obama gave them NO aid whatever.

And you also know that's not true, since you posted about the $1 billion in aid from the Obama administration in Message 2939, the $1 billion Biden threatened that the US would withhold unless the Ukraine removed Shokin as Prosecutor General:

Faith in Message 2939 of the Right Side of the News thread writes:

Here's where Biden brags about threatening to withhold a billion dollars unless they fire this prosecutor:


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Message 65 of 68 (867997)
12-05-2019 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Percy
12-05-2019 8:09 PM

Good point. I'll have to see if some explanation comes up for the idea that Obama withheld aid because it's been said malny times.

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Message 66 of 68 (867998)
12-05-2019 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
12-05-2019 10:57 PM

I'll have to see if some explanation comes up for the idea that Obama withheld aid because it's been said many times.

the explanation is that the people you're listening to are lying.

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Message 67 of 68 (868008)
12-06-2019 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
12-05-2019 10:57 PM

Right-wingers have said many times that Obama gave nothing to Ukraine, in the sense that nothing was authorized.

I haven't heard of anyone saying he withheld aid that had been authorized. I bet you made that part up.

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Message 68 of 68 (892122)
02-26-2022 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by frako
12-05-2019 11:02 AM

EvC Calling Frako
So Frako, I was thinking about you as the news unfolded from Ukraine. What do your people in Slovenia think of all this Putin On The Ritz?

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