Testing The Christian Apologists

Since life is meaningless (according to atheism), it doesn't matter if you do good things or evil things ... since good and evil are as meaningless as each other. Life is as meaningless as non-life. Love is meaningless as well.

That's for you to answer ... you're a disciple of Meaninglessness, not me.

Then you admit that, even you the cracker-munching creationist, acknowledge that life is a meaningless emergent property of matter and exists for no other reason than that it can.You are learning, Dredge. Now ditch the ghost and revel in the reality of life's true nature.

Good, evil, love, hate are all human conceptions. They don't exist apart from the human imagination. They are nothing and as such, you are correct, their being is meaningless to the operations of this universe.

Dredge, Msg 1037:

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Life is as meaningless as non-life. Love is meaningless as well.

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You already answered. You admit it's all meaningless. So what's the problem?

You seem to think the universe has meaning. If your atheism is true, nothing has meaning - including the universe.

All this says is that you don't know how meaning works.Subjective meaning is better than objective meaning.It's simple to show:Let's take two highly skilled professional baseball players.
One wants to play baseball, the other wants to be a dentist.
Their skill, however, is exactly the same... both just as reliable, productive and an asset to the team their on.The one who wants to play baseball, and is playing baseball, will have high feelings of happiness and satisfaction with their life.
The one who wants to be a dentist, and is playing baseball, will have feelings of frustration and discontentment with their life.Different people want different things - and the secret to having meaning is to identify the things that are important to you and make sure you're making progress on those goals in your life. It can be very difficult to do for some, but it's not a big secret on how to do it.Because different people want different things, having an "external" or "objective" meaning is, well, useless.If the "time independent" meaning is to be a baseball player - the one who still want to be a dentist will still feel frustrated.
It doesn't even matter what the external meaning is... as soon as it's one single thing... this just isn't going to work for everyone because people are different. And, it's only going to work for those who's subjective meaning happens to coincide with it anyway... which, again, means the external meaning is useless.Subjective meaning, however, can work for everyone - identify what's important to you and make sure your life includes making progress on those goals.
And - bam - your life has meaning that's greater than any possible external meaning that could exist.Subjective meaning is better than objective meaning.
Simply because that's how meaning works.

Sorry, but your post is completely devoid of merit. Fail.

Meaningless.

Now for my point of view:
Objective meaning is better than subjective meaning.
Similar people (seekers of truth)want similar things-and the secret to finding/having meaning is to identify the thing(s) that are/ is important to you and to strive to make progress on this goal in your life. It can be very difficult to do for some, but it's not a big secret on how to do it.(Edited for clarity, continuing in my next post)

I reread what I posted...let me add to and edit that!This is how I really wanted to say my case, contrasting it with your previous reply regarding subjectivity.It's simple to show:
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Let's take two serious seekers of truth and a quest for knowing God. Both are in church for the first time(s) in their life.
One wants to find God and surrender, the other wants to achieve self actualization and improve himself through knowledge(Gnosis).Their quest is similar.
The one who wants to know God and is drawn by the Spirit will meet God in church (or in a park, or at home or wherever they happen to be)
The one who wants to achieve self actualization will have feelings of ambivalence and confusion while in a formal church setting. They will question why they are listening to the dogma. They will grow restless and leave the church, convinced that they were mere sheeple and/or blissfully ignorant. They will search elsewhere...not for "God" particularly but for self actualization and contentment. Does this make sense? In other words, everybody will find what they really want. For some, its objective. For others, its subjective.
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​Everyone is looking for greater truth. For the science minded, it is more exciting to ask more questions and reject pat (or easy) answers. For those of us who know ourselves and simply want stability and guidance in life, church can be welcoming and safe. We dont want to find out that there is no God, especially after we believed that we had met Him. The science based mind, by contrast, is taught to set aside prior conclusions and move on.
For them, there is always more to be discovered.
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Thank you. Sounds like I'm on the right track.

Same shit different day.You just can't conceive of the idea that people that don't live inside you fantasies don't think of things the way you do can you?None of this makes sense. It's just more of your half-understood pseudo-psychological religious waffle.

No, it doesn't. If you consider yourself to be a libertarian, why would you want to surrender?If you are a serious seeker of truth, why aren't you more skeptical of what you hear and read, including what you hear in church? Why aren't you looking for better evidence?

More word salad.
Wash, rinse, repeat.