Testing The Christian Apologists

The problem is that you're still not looking at the apologetics. You're conceding that some apologists have been dishonest in their personal lives but you're leaving yourself open to still believing their apologetic arguments. I don't care if Ravi Zacharias slept with the entire Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I'm only interested in what he says about the Bible. Why do you refuse to consider that?

But surely you want to know which ones are liars and which ones are not, don't you? How can you do that except by testing what they say? Nobody here is trying to "teach" you anything. We're just trying to get you to think. Because it might be the truth. Duh.How can you tell who's telling the truth without testing both versions?You started a thread titled "Testing The Christian Apologists". Why not participate in good faith in your own thread?

That isn't the topic. I'd rather discuss the topic. I don't make any claim. I just don't see anywhere where Jesus listed exceptions. As I've told you before, I don't even believe that Jesus existed. Why would I follow His advice any more than I would follow the Fred Flintstone's advice? I'm just wondering why you claim to believe in Him yet you ridicule His advice. My heart is busy pumping blood right now. If Jesus was in there, I'd probably need to have Him surgically removed. The "spirit" is a function of mind. A fragment of underdone potato can tamper with Scrooge's mind and make him "see" spirits but otherwise there's no "war".But the topic is Testing the Christian Apologists. Are you admitting that they've failed the test?

How can I respond to their assumptions if you won't bring them here?

What part of "bring it here" do you not understand?Bring it here. Explain it in your own words. I've asked you to do that many, many times.

Besides being unreadable, that diagram explains nothing. It's just a reiteration of your empty belief. Where's the scripture to back it up? Don't lie about me. I have never told you what you should do. I have only told you what Jesus told you to do. That's not an excuse for you to rebel against Jesus' teachings and then claim to "believe in Him". Then why don't you follow Him?

If?If there is an argument against what Jesus said, for God's sake, tell us what it is. If the apologists have a "better" version, tell us what it is.I'll repeat what I've said many times before: There is a definite trend in the Bible.The only counter-argument that you have presented is that Zacchaeus offered half of what he had. (We are not told whether he got away with it.) Do the apologists have a better argument? You can be as annoyed as you like but I suppose you won't be able to deny it any more. Forgiveness requires repentance. We don't forgive Charles Manson serially every time he murders somebody. He has to stop.Ravi Zaccharias lies about what the Bible says. You continue to believe his lies. There is no place for forgiveness there.

There is no response to me over there.

So Ananias and Sapphira were "symbolically" killed? So the church at Rome was foolish?

You're making that up. Look at the story of the widow who gave Elijah her last morsel of food. She was provided for.Why would you not trust God to take care of you?

What does that have to do with God taking care of you?

Look what you wrote in the previous paragraph: "You have also said before that all available evidence shows that we must do it ourselves as there are no Gods or Angels out mowing the lawn, feeding hungry people, or delivering the paper." You know that's true. So Jesus is just some bumpkin on the sidewalk to you. Indeed, that would be the appropriate reaction. So why do you trust the voices in your head more? It must be the voices in your head telling you that because the character in the book told you to have faith like a little child.

It isn't about the whole American middle class. It's an individual message. If you personally do the best you can do, nobody's going to blame you for destroying the whole American middle class.

Part of that "bill" is calling in the loan. The West has been taking and taking from the rest of the world for centuries - and now you complain that we have to give something back. What on earth do my beliefs have to do with it? I don't have to be a Mormon to tell you what the Book of Mormon says.

As I said, that is not the case. You (we) are being asked to pay for a thousand stolen meals in the past. That would be stupid. Wars don't pay; they cost. What an insane reaction. Then you have no business talking about Jesus. Call the voice in your head Carl.