Testing The Christian Apologists

And the Soviet Union payed the lions share of military "protection" for Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania.... What they were "protecting" was their own interests. Because you live on the globe. Everything that happens on the globe effects you.

That's an extremely bad analogy. You protect the King? Did you think at all before you posted that?

That doesn't make any sense. You're talking about protecting yourself. No chess piece does that. They are all interdependent.

Of course. Nonsense. Learn what Marxism is.You're the one who is worried about class struggle. You're more of a Marxist than I am. That's not a fact. Have you ever heard of progressive taxation? Most attempts at "fair" taxation are on the principle of "from each according to his ability". Not at all. It applies to the foreign workers that we and our parents exploited. We are responsible for fixing the damage we did in the past and for not continuing to do damage in the future.

Irrelevant. He is/should be taxed based on his ability to pay. Are you seriously suggesting that he shouldn't? Doesn't he want to clear his parents' good name? To that extent, at least, we are responsible for the sins of our fathers. "To each according to his need." "Each" is an individual word. "Each" one in China should pay what he can and "each" one in the US should pay what he can. The sum od eaches paid by each country is irrelevant. But it's the middle class (you) that's complaining about being strained.

Noooo. I've said that the working class should pay the bulk of the taxes - and that their income should be brought up to where they can afford to do so. That is where you would end up if you didn't trust God. Remember Elijah and the widow? You have never been able to back up that claim. Well, He wants you to be willing to be in the lowest economic quadrant. I don't know what Sanders says but everybody should get free healthcare and education. Even if you don't care about ordinary human decency, a healthy workforce is essential and an educated electorate is essential. I don't know if your prediction has any merit but no, I see no problem with that. Why would I see a problem with equality?I've been in your "4th quadrant" all my life. I have never made more than $25,000 (Canadian) in one year and I'm not much above half that now. And there are a lot of people who are worse off than me. But it isn't a struggle. I'm going to hold you to that. From now on, you'd better not use the name of "Jesus" again. Say you believe in "Carl", or the voices in your head.

Your quote pretty much agrees with what I'm saying.I think you're misunderstanding what responsibility means. If your parents left you a house with a leaky roof, it's your responsibility to fix the roof. That's for your own good. It doesn't do you any good to say, "I didn't damage the roof so I shouldn't have to fix it."You may not own slaves but you still have to live with the mess that slavery made. It's your responsibility - and to your advantage - to make the situation better.

Well, you became similar because you were steeped in the same culture. You call your God "Jesus" and you believe He rose from the dead, etc. but that's only because of the stories in the book. It has little to do with whatever "experience" you had.

The real question is what are you being "saved" from?

That doesn't answer the question. Who created eternal damnation?

Actually, I call it a bold-faced lie. And you would prefer to keep people out.

Then your god din't create the universe and everything in it.Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

They do choose - whether they want in or not. You don't want to even give them that choice. It's the members who set the terms.

WHAT?What? What? What? What? What?If your god didn't create eternal damnation, he didn't create everything in the universe. What could be clearer than that?

There is no Satan. If there was, your god would not be omnipotent. The story that you recall is from the book that you reject.