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jar
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Message 50 of 150 (861245)
08-18-2019 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by AZPaul3
08-18-2019 6:53 PM


Intelligent Design is also pointless, useless and significant only as a source of humor. If we look at the actual products it might be possible to make a case for Inept Design, Inelegant Design, Inefficient Design, Insane Design but certainly not Intelligent Design.
Which is why humans have had to redesign and rework the original designs of everything from Bananas and wheat and corn and tomatoes and potatoes and cattle and chickens even humans themselves to try to fix the really piss poor designs.

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Message 56 of 150 (861265)
08-19-2019 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Faith
08-19-2019 7:21 AM


Re: agnostic ID/Deism
Faith writes:
You can make up a string of supposed natural processes and convince yourself that's enough to disprove design but to someone else, like me for instance, it looks like a flimflam.
But that is simply not what scientists do as has been explained to you a brazillion times.
Science asks what could have caused something and then looks at the evidence, develops a hypothesis and the tests the hypothesis. Mendel did not just make up a string of natural processes, he did the tests and recorded the results and published the results and then others tested his explanation and when they all got the same results, a theory was presented.
That is what the Intelligent Design Snake Oil Salesmen never do.

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jar
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Message 58 of 150 (861270)
08-19-2019 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Faith
08-19-2019 8:06 AM


Re: agnostic ID/Deism
Faith writes:
What I described, however, is not testable.
Yet what science claims is testable and has been tested.
There has never been any evidence to support design or the existence of any designer.

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jar
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Message 61 of 150 (861274)
08-19-2019 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Faith
08-19-2019 8:28 AM


Re: agnostic ID/Deism
Faith writes:
jar writes:
There has never been any evidence to support design or the existence of any designer.
Of course not. As I said there can't be any evidence for or against, it's all subjective. No it's NOT testable.
The point is, Intelligent Design has absolutely no support while the standard explanation is fully and completely supported. Intelligent Design is simply fantasy while evolution is supported by reality.

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jar
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Message 63 of 150 (861279)
08-19-2019 9:06 AM
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08-19-2019 8:48 AM


Re: agnostic ID/Deism
Faith writes:
Oh I don't think the standard explanation is all that supported, I think it's mostly a tissue of "likely stories" that have little real evidentiary support, just a lot of seeming plausibility and little more than that. Just an elaborate delusion.
Yes Faith, we know that you think that.
Yet once again, reality shows you are wrong.
Science has tested evidence and ID has only fantasy.

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jar
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Message 65 of 150 (861284)
08-19-2019 10:43 AM
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08-19-2019 9:28 AM


Re: agnostic ID/Deism
Faith writes:
Say it often enough and it will take on the veneer of truth. That's all that's happened in reality.
Faith, you know that is simply yet another example of you denying the facts and reality.
jar writes:
Science has tested evidence and ID has only fantasy.
If ID has anything more than fantasy please present the evidence and the means to test it.
Edited by jar, : applinf spallin

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Message 109 of 150 (861558)
08-23-2019 10:40 AM
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08-23-2019 10:38 AM


Re: Geting back to the question of ID
Faith writes:
They have to involve mutations, right? In which case any claims of getting functional advantageous steps don't fit with any biological/genetic principles I've ever heard of. But of course perhaps you can enlighten me.
What happens if a mutation actually makes a critter better able to live in its environment?

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Message 111 of 150 (861561)
08-23-2019 10:45 AM
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08-23-2019 10:42 AM


Re: Geting back to the question of ID
Faith writes:
I'd say that's a one in a million or zillion pleasant outcome, and of course I'd doubt it was a mutation, but more likely a beneficial combination of existing genetic stuff that happened to come along.
What you think is irrelevant. Whether or not it is a mutation can be determined by examining the DNA. Whether or not it helps can be checked by seeing if the critter has an advantage.
So the question remains; "What happens if a mutation actually makes a critter better able to live in its environment?"

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Message 113 of 150 (861563)
08-23-2019 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
08-23-2019 10:49 AM


Re: Geting back to the question of ID
Faith writes:
Not sure examining the DNA is always reliable for determining whether a given allele or combination is a mutation or not.
What you are not sure of is irrelevant, particularly since you have never shown any sign that you even know what a mutation is.
Faith writes:
Also I did answer the question: "I'd say that's a one in a million or zillion pleasant outcome...."
Okay, so you agree that would make the critter better able to exist in its environment.
Now what happens in that critter breeds and the mutation is passed to the next generation?

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Message 130 of 150 (861621)
08-23-2019 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by WookieeB
08-23-2019 5:54 PM


Re: Simple definition of ID
WookieeB writes:
The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.
Yet there is no evidence of any "Intelligent Cause" and lots of evidence of an undirected process such as natural selection. But ID is fun to laugh over. The possibility of an Inept Designer or Incompetent Designer or Ignorant Designer or Inelegant Designer is certainly supported by all the evidence.

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