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dwise1 Member Posts: 5195 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
I need your help in some research I am conducting. It will require honesty on your part, which you will undoubtedly find very difficult since that is a completely alien concept to creationists and especially to you, but do please try nonetheless. You are obviously scientifically illiterate. Since I have been scientifically literate for as far back as I can remember, I cannot comprehend how scientific illiterates think that things work. I have asked scientific illiterates several times, but they only become very hostile and uncommunicative. Please answer the following few questions as to your own understanding. If you have recently learned that how you thought about them is wrong, then indicate that but also describe how you used to think about them. The questions:
Your honest answers can go a long way towards removing misunderstandings between us.
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Taq Member Posts: 8525 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5195 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
I've been hearing rumors to the effect that he's a geologist, but he hasn't demonstrated any knowledge commensurate with that title. Despite Dr. Sheldon Cooper's position that geology is not really a science, it does still require a certain degree of scientific training, something that Juvenissun clearly does not possess as he has demonstrated over and over again ad nauseum. I have commented before about a YEC I once had a short correspondence with. He said that he was a scientist and was very insistent on that point. So I asked him which scientific field and he said, "All fields." OK, that rotting fish has started to smell. I kept pushing for more information until he finally explained that he had attended a science class once. I never could get him to tell me whether he had stayed awake in class. It is a sad fact that you must always verify everything that a YEC tells you. I wish that it weren't that way, but it is what it is. So, if he has claimed that he is a geologist, what does he base that claim on? And why is he so terrified of talking with a geologist? Especially after he had made such a big show of demanding to talk with a geologist. There is the possibility that he did receive some schooling in geology, but at a creationist school. In that case, he most likely learned less about geology and more about what they rejected about geology. For example, in the 1988 the Institute for Creation Research (ICR -- Morris and Gish's baby) then in Santee, Calif, was up for accreditation renewal of their master's degrees in science and were refused (big legal hassle ensued; read that whole story here). Part of the process involved a visitation committee visiting the ICR to watch their classes in action; I have a copy of their report. They observed a graduate class in microbiology and their ICR guide made sure to point out that they used the same text book as most secular universities do for their graduate microbiology classes. But the difference lay in how this class was using that book. Every student had a black felt marker and the instructor was leading the class through the book page by page telling them which passages to redact out because, "We don't believe that. And we don't believe that either." So if Juvenissun received his "geology training" in such an institute, then that could explain the lack of width and breadth in his knowledge along with its lack of quality. That's illustrated with what happened at the 1986 International Conference on Creationism (ICC); Robert Schadewald's report was where I first heard of the recently-late Glenn R. Morton. After his presentation of geological evidence that disproves the claims of Flood Geology (part of that article in Message 1 that Juvenissun kept asking about but refused to even look at), the entire geology staff of the ICR, all two or three of them led by John Morris (who claimed to be a petroleum geologist), attacked him verbally with hostile questions. He chopped Morris off at the ankles with two questions:
It was after the answer to that second question that Morton told them about having hired several geology graduates of the ICR (actually, from Christian Heritage College when it used to house the ICR) to work for him at an oil exploration company. It turns out that most of what they were taught was "what is wrong with geology", so when they had to work all day long, day after day, with rock-hard geological evidence that "didn't exist and couldn't exist if Scripture were to have any meaning", they all suffered severe crises of faith. And then you have YEC geologists like Dr Steve Austin, whose PhD Geology from a secular university was financed by the ICR -- they needed an actual PhD Geology on their staff and couldn't find one so they basically bought one. While a graduate student, he wrote geology articles in the Creation Research Society Quarterly (at first associated with the ICR until there was a falling out) under the pseudonym of Stuart Nevins. I read some of his articles and was very disappointed to see him use deliberate misrepresentations of geology that even first-year undergraduates would know better than to say (and here he was a graduate student?). Since he got his doctorate and have gone to work for the ICR under his own name, I've seen him engaged in such dishonest actions as gathering samples for radiometric dating making certain to cherry-pick ones that would give a false result -- being a trained geologist, he knows how to do that -- so that he can misrepresent them as evidence that the dating methods don't work. So then what Juvenissun's story is supposed to be, I don't know. But I'm not holding out much hope for him.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5195 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Which is what demonstrates that you are indeed a f*cking idiot who's just looking for any lame excuse to avoid discussion by clutching your pearls and complaining about the vapors while fluttering your fan. You presented a silly scenario and expected a normal person to take it seriously. On the face of it, your "question" was nothing but a piece of brain-dead stupid ad-hoc nonsense, so I informed you of that fact. In my reply to which you are avoiding to reply yourself, I told you (you are forever lifting quotes out of context, typical of the thoroughly dishonest creationist practice of quote-mining):
So why don't you just present your valid explanation for your silly scenario? Oh yeah, because you yourself know that it's just stupid made-up bullshit nonsense. The solution to your problem is not to resort to hysteria, but rather to come up with valid questions and explanations. And to actually read replies instead of ignoring them. But that would require honesty, a concept that very sadly is completely alien to creationists.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5195 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
No, I am clean-shaven. You, however. You ask a question and we hand you the answer, so you shit in our hand. Who's being the barbarian here? Not me. Look in the mirror.
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ringo Member Posts: 19760 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9
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Here's another hint for you: You don't roast a chicken in the fridge. Edited by ringo, : Stelling. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5195 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Just curious, but what is your native language? Your attempts at English keep coming off as rather odd. Prepositions are usually one of the hardest things to get right in a foreign language. I "talk in decency" ... sorry, that's just too silly. I talk to you in a far more decent manner than you deserve. If you wish to be treated with more decency, then you must yourself act far more decently than you have been. And it is rather odd that you would go to clutching your pearls and suffering from the vapors over being told the simple truth that your silly Himalayas idea is truly stupid, which is what you yourself had just said! BTW, I cannot help but notice that you completely avoid the kinetic energy part of that "idea". Is that because you do not know what kinetic energy is? You really need to let us know just how abjectly ignorant you are. Otherwise, we will continue to misinterpret your faulty statements through ignorance as crass indecency to which we respond in kind.
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ringo Member Posts: 19760 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
It occured to me today that he talks like Charlie Chan sometimes. Non-topic sniping hidden. - Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Guess. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5195 Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
He'll probably turn out to be a monoglot, which means that he doesn't know any language at all. From my faulty memory of 48 years ago: Just now researched via Google: Non-topic sniping hidden. - Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Guess.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3959 Joined: |
I believe that the topic Broken Thinking Skills & Pointless Discussion was specifically created to deal with this situation.
Probably going to be hiding some messages. Adminnemooseus Or something like that©.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8579 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 2.9 |
He's a geologist like I'm a theologian. Juvenissun Birthday:Aug 7, 1952 (Age: 68) A YEC but work with OE models. No contradiction at all. Build conceptual dynamic models Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 627 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Take your argument one at a time. If the sun continued to lose its mass and/or the earth continued to gain mass, that would certainly be a process which made the earth go away from the sun continuously.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 627 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Thanks for the digging. I did not change since then except my age.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 627 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
When talk about Geology, the difference between me and everyone else here is like the difference between a Ph.D. and school kids. Do you know the Himalayan Mountains once simply drop straightforward down a few thousand feet? The feature is called "tectonic erosion". If you care to learn, you may look it up. I do believe that had some significant effect to the orbit of the earth.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 627 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Did I talk to you a lot about granite? You should know that I am not kidding around.
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