You're forgetting, he IS a geologist.
And also a YEC.
I've been hearing rumors to the effect that he's a geologist, but he hasn't demonstrated any knowledge commensurate with that title. Despite Dr. Sheldon Cooper's position that geology is not really a science, it does still require a certain degree of scientific training, something that Juvenissun clearly does not possess as he has demonstrated over and over again ad nauseum.
I have commented before about a YEC I once had a short correspondence with. He said that he was a scientist and was very insistent on that point. So I asked him which scientific field and he said, "All fields." OK, that rotting fish has started to smell. I kept pushing for more information until he finally explained that he had attended a science class once. I never could get him to tell me whether he had stayed awake in class.
It is a sad fact that you must always verify
everything that a YEC tells you. I wish that it weren't that way, but it is what it is.
So, if he has claimed that he is a geologist, what does he base that claim on? And why is he so terrified of talking with a geologist? Especially after he had made such a big show of demanding to talk with a geologist.
There is the possibility that he did receive some schooling in geology, but at a creationist school. In that case, he most likely learned less about geology and more about what they rejected about geology. For example, in the 1988 the Institute for Creation Research (ICR -- Morris and Gish's baby) then in Santee, Calif, was up for accreditation renewal of their master's degrees in science and were refused (big legal hassle ensued; read that whole story
here). Part of the process involved a visitation committee visiting the ICR to watch their classes in action; I have a copy of their report. They observed a graduate class in microbiology and their ICR guide made sure to point out that they used the same text book as most secular universities do for their graduate microbiology classes. But the difference lay in how this class was using that book. Every student had a black felt marker and the instructor was leading the class through the book page by page telling them which passages to redact out because, "We don't believe that. And we don't believe that either."
So if Juvenissun received his "geology training" in such an institute, then that could explain the lack of width and breadth in his knowledge along with its lack of quality.
That's illustrated with what happened at the 1986 International Conference on Creationism (ICC); Robert Schadewald's report was where I first heard of the recently-late Glenn R. Morton. After his presentation of geological evidence that disproves the claims of Flood Geology (part of that article in
Message 1 that Juvenissun kept asking about but refused to even look at), the entire geology staff of the ICR, all two or three of them led by John Morris (who claimed to be a petroleum geologist), attacked him verbally with hostile questions. He chopped Morris off at the ankles with two questions:
- "What oil company did you work for?" "Well, uh, none. But I taught petroleum geology one semester at a university." At the University of Oklahoma as I seem to recall, but I didn't want to commit that to the quote. And this is yet another instance of a YEC claiming credentials that he doesn't rate.
- "How old is the earth?" John Morris: "If the earth is more than 10,000 years old then Scripture has no meaning." I have that one on my quotes page since it clearly demonstrates the corner that YEC have painted themselves into -- if they ever have to admit that the earth is far from young, then they are taught that that will disprove the Bible and also God (or else that God is a liar who must not be worshiped).
It was after the answer to that second question that Morton told them about having hired several geology graduates of the ICR (actually, from Christian Heritage College when it used to house the ICR) to work for him at an oil exploration company. It turns out that most of what they were taught was "what is wrong with geology", so when they had to work all day long, day after day, with rock-hard geological evidence that "didn't exist and couldn't exist if Scripture were to have any meaning", they all suffered severe crises of faith.
And then you have YEC geologists like Dr Steve Austin, whose PhD Geology from a secular university was financed by the ICR -- they needed an actual PhD Geology on their staff and couldn't find one so they basically bought one. While a graduate student, he wrote geology articles in the Creation Research Society Quarterly (at first associated with the ICR until there was a falling out) under the pseudonym of Stuart Nevins. I read some of his articles and was very disappointed to see him use deliberate misrepresentations of geology that even first-year undergraduates would know better than to say (and here he was a
graduate student?). Since he got his doctorate and have gone to work for the ICR under his own name, I've seen him engaged in such dishonest actions as gathering samples for radiometric dating making certain to cherry-pick ones that would give a false result -- being a trained geologist, he knows how to do that -- so that he can misrepresent them as evidence that the dating methods don't work.
So then what Juvenissun's story is supposed to be, I don't know. But I'm not holding out much hope for him.
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