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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1743 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Then why is 98% of the chimp genome identical to the human genome? Similar design. AS I SAID. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith writes: Um, the creation model is all about genetic differences. Chimp bodies and human bodies are identifiable by their genetic differences as well as by morphology. I keep trying to figure out your thinking but all I know is that you are so tightly bound up in the ToE you can't grasp what I'm saying no matter how I put it. Then what does the creation model predict for the patterns in those diffeences, or does it make any prediction at all? For example: 1. What should the pattern of differences be for transitions, transversions, and CpG's? 2. What should the pattern of differences be for a comparison of introns and exons? 3. What should the pattern of differences be between different groups of species? Can the creation model make any predictions with respect to those differences?
But creationism DOES explain what you see in genetics. So can the separate creation of each creature explain it.
Then it should be able to answer those 3 questions above.
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ringo Member (Idle past 711 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Creationism doesn't require genetics at all. For that matter, it doesn't even require biology. Um, the creation model is all about genetic differences. I read a story once about a man who found a snake in his bathtub. Every time he got into the tub, the snake would be there but when he let the water out, it was gone. Finally, after many tries, he managed to catch it and kill it. When he took it to a lab to have it dissected, it had no internal organs, no internal structure at all. It turned out that it was created by his imagination; since he didn't know anything about the internals of a snake, he couldn't imagine them or create them. That's creationism all over - no need for internal organs at all. God did it.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Faith writes: Similar design. AS I SAID. No, you said they were unique. Now you are saying they are similar designs. Which is it?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1743 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Unique designs can be similar. Why not?
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Faith writes: Unique designs can be similar. Why not?
So did God start with a common design for all apes, and then change it a little bit for chimps, gorillas, orangutans, and humans? Why do chimps share more DNA with humans than they do with gorillas?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1743 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Then what does the creation model predict for the patterns in those diffeences, or does it make any prediction at all? For example: 1. What should the pattern of differences be for transitions, transversions, and CpG's?2. What should the pattern of differences be for a comparison of introns and exons? 3. What should the pattern of differences be between different groups of species? Can the creation model make any predictions with respect to those differences? There is no reason that I know of why the creation model should try to explain any of that. It's all an artifact of the ToE.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1743 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Unique designs can be similar. Why not? So did God start with a common design for all apes, and then change it a little bit for chimps, gorillas, orangutans, and humans? God didn't change ANYTHING, he designed a genome for each Kind. But the varieties contained in the genome for apes depends on whether all the different kinds of apes come from one common ancestor, or common ancestor pair, and I've wondered about that. Whatever the original genome for a Kind, all the variations were built into it so that they would descend from that one common ancestor, all the apes from the one ape Kind. Same with cats, dogs, bears, mice, and any others that constitute a Kind. But human beings aren't an ape and aren't related to apes. There was one common ancestor for human beings too, actually a common ancestor pair, the pair Adam and Eve, and all the races of human beings descended from them, the original genome they both possessed containing all the varieties possible. I saw a Mendelian square for how all the different skin colors were in the original human genome, Adam and Eve having a medium skin color but their genome containing every possible combination of skin colors, from darkest to lightest and different color tones as well. It should be the same for all the varieties of human characteristics.
Why do chimps share more DNA with humans than they do with gorillas? Must be because the body design is more similar to the human body design. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10350 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
Faith writes: God didn't change ANYTHING, he designed a genome for each Kind. But you said they are a similar design, so wouldn't that mean the similar design was changed for each species?
Must be because the body design is more similar to the human body design. Very little of a genome affects body design, so why are the parts not involved in body design also similar?
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Taq Member Posts: 10350 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
Faith writes: There is no reason that I know of why the creation model should try to explain any of that. It's all an artifact of the ToE. The patterns of differences are observable facts. Are you saying that the creation model can't explain these facts?
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JonF Member (Idle past 467 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
1. What should the pattern of differences be for transitions, transversions, and CpG's?
The pattern God chose.
2. What should the pattern of differences be for a comparison of introns and exons?
The pattern God chose.
3. What should the pattern of differences be between different groups of species?
The pattern God chose. It's Goddidit all the way down.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1743 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They're all mutations, right? So the creation model explains them as mistakes in replication that may or may not harm the genome.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1743 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But you said they are a similar design, so wouldn't that mean the similar design was changed for each species? The only similar design I recall mentioning was chimp and human. And there is no implication of anything changing. God made one design for the chimp and another for the human.
Very little of a genome affects body design, so why are the parts not involved in body design also similar? Why not?
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JonF Member (Idle past 467 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
They're all mutations, right? So the creation model explains them as mistakes in replication that may or may not harm the genome.
But there are obvious patterns of them between species. You were asked for an explanation of those patterns, knowing you don't have a meaningful one. Common descent explains them. All you got is "God chose to do that". No predictive power whatsoever.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1743 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Genomes are probably susceptible to certain kinds of mutations.
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