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TrueCreation
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Message 31 of 38 (8736)
04-20-2002 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Joe Meert
04-20-2002 7:52 PM


"JM: Pangea is absolutely irrelevant in demonstrating a global flood."
--Thats right, though I do recall that metalpunk37 was asking for a summary of my personal creationist views, which includes a historical landmass.
"Magnetic reversals correlating on land and marine sections absolutely destroys the notion of a young earth and a global flood."
--We havent been able to get into this one yet, though I have seen you assert it, so how does it do so?
"Most fossils are dead animals and they completely and utterly falsify the global flood (Christian scholars noted this 150+ years ago!)."
--I'm sure you have noticed the rapid advancement in Geology Meert? After-all, you do have a doctorate in the subject. I have many geology related books from the 50-70's, much of which is very dated and would be considered erroneous today.
"Geology is incompatible with a global flood. Stop talking nonsense and post some meat!"
--Can't get to the meat without penetrating the skin Joe, if you get my analogy.
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Joe Meert
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Message 32 of 38 (8742)
04-20-2002 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by TrueCreation
04-20-2002 8:01 PM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by TrueCreation:
[B]"JM: Pangea is absolutely irrelevant in demonstrating a global flood."
--Thats right, though I do recall that metalpunk37 was asking for a summary of my personal creationist views, which includes a historical landmass.[/QUOTE]
JM: What about the supercontinents of Rodinia, Panottia and Columbia?
quote:
"Magnetic reversals correlating on land and marine sections absolutely destroys the notion of a young earth and a global flood."
--We havent been able to get into this one yet, though I have seen you assert it, so how does it do so?
JM: This is one of my questions to you. I want you to explain how the flood created these correlations (see TC model thread). You've made the assertion that the flood fits, I want you to show me how.
quote:
--I'm sure you have noticed the rapid advancement in Geology Meert? After-all, you do have a doctorate in the subject. I have many geology related books from the 50-70's, much of which is very dated and would be considered erroneous today.
JM: Yes, I notice the advancement. I also notice that some very fundamental observations in geology are as germane today as they were several hundred years ago. Don't get smart-alecky in a subject where you have admitted some naivete.
quote:
--Can't get to the meat without penetrating the skin Joe, if you get my analogy.
JM: That's right, so don't pretend to know more than you actually do. At the same time, you can't ignore the details that argue against your point. Hey, I am willing to be convinced that you have a better model, but you have to show it and you have to be able to discuss the details that might ruin your model. You can't explain one thing and then run off and hide.
Cheers
Joe MEert

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TrueCreation
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Message 33 of 38 (8745)
04-20-2002 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Joe Meert
04-20-2002 8:38 PM


"JM: What about the supercontinents of Rodinia, Panottia and Columbia?"
--I have abundances of paleo/geomagnetic information, though magnetic paleography on land I have only have reliable data and information going back only to a few million years. May you have a resource which I might view such continental paleomagnetic data?
"JM: This is one of my questions to you. I want you to explain how the flood created these correlations (see TC model thread). You've made the assertion that the flood fits, I want you to show me how."
--As it pertains to basaltic geomagnetic striping, I have found it completely cooperative, though land paleomagnetic data is very relevent, and should be considered. See above.
"JM: Yes, I notice the advancement. I also notice that some very fundamental observations in geology are as germane today as they were several hundred years ago. Don't get smart-alecky in a subject where you have admitted some naivete."
--Sertaintly, though I am willing and I urge myself to enjoy exploring new information which is a neccessity in my knowledgable advancement. Of course I have allready agreed It would be ignorantly arrogant for me to pose such a comparison to your level, I am appreciative and blessed if the word should be used that I have someone such as yourself to discuss with.
"JM: That's right, so don't pretend to know more than you actually do. At the same time, you can't ignore the details that argue against your point. Hey, I am willing to be convinced that you have a better model, but you have to show it and you have to be able to discuss the details that might ruin your model. You can't explain one thing and then run off and hide."
--I agree I cannot.
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Joe Meert
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Message 34 of 38 (8751)
04-20-2002 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by TrueCreation
04-20-2002 9:16 PM


Get a hold of Opdyke and Channel's book Magnetic Stratigraphy.
Cheers
Joe Meert

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Message 35 of 38 (8753)
04-20-2002 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Joe Meert
04-20-2002 10:55 PM


"Magnetic Stratigraphy"? I think I have that stuck on the front of my refrigerator right now!
Moose
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BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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TrueCreation
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Message 36 of 38 (8754)
04-20-2002 11:44 PM
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04-20-2002 11:09 PM


""Magnetic Stratigraphy"? I think I have that stuck on the front of my refrigerator right now!"
--LOL
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TrueCreation
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Message 37 of 38 (8815)
04-22-2002 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Joe Meert
04-20-2002 10:55 PM


--Sounds like an awesome resource, though, I seem to be a bit out of cash as it pertains to $109...
-Electronics, Cars, Fashion, Collectibles & More | eBay
--Maybe you could give me a decent price for your copy if you may own it, or recommend another that I may be able to obtain. Or if possible a reliable internet page with this type of information.
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Joe Meert
Member (Idle past 5680 days)
Posts: 913
From: Gainesville
Joined: 03-02-2002


Message 38 of 38 (8819)
04-22-2002 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by TrueCreation
04-22-2002 10:12 PM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
--Sounds like an awesome resource, though, I seem to be a bit out of cash as it pertains to $109...
-Electronics, Cars, Fashion, Collectibles & More | eBay
--Maybe you could give me a decent price for your copy if you may own it, or recommend another that I may be able to obtain. Or if possible a reliable internet page with this type of information.

JM: Sorry TC, you'll have to get it the same way I did. Get a Ph.D., go through a series of interviews, end up in the same department as the authors, get an office next to the first author and beg for a free copy! Seriously though, if you do a google search under google and use the terms Robert Butler and paleomagnetism, you should be able to download his entire book.
Cheers
Joe Meert

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