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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
dwise1
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Message 961 of 963 (910500)
04-25-2023 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 648 by Kleinman
03-27-2023 3:27 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Even the concept of atheism is irrational. It implies the knowledge of everything in the universe.
Wow! Is there anything that you are not completely wrong about? Or are you just projecting your own deficiencies onto others?
Instead, it is theism that claims to have complete and perfect knowledge, whereas atheism is just saying "No, you don't have complete and perfect knowledge, especially about the supernatural." You also believe (and depend on entirely) in human infallibility, while we reject such a ridiculous belief.
Rather and clearly, it is the concept of theism that is irrational, because it implies complete and perfect knowledge of the supernatural which has been passed down perfectly and without error for many generations over millennia (ie, human infallibility), all of which is completely beyond human capability.
Theists claim to have complete and perfect knowledge about the supernatural and want to sell us their bill of goods. Atheists just refuse to buy that pig in a poke.
Seeing through a swindle and not falling for it is quite rational.

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Kleinman
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Message 962 of 963 (910551)
04-26-2023 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 961 by dwise1
04-25-2023 4:11 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
Even the concept of atheism is irrational. It implies the knowledge of everything in the universe.
dwise1:
Wow! Is there anything that you are not completely wrong about? Or are you just projecting your own deficiencies onto others?

Instead, it is theism that claims to have complete and perfect knowledge, whereas atheism is just saying "No, you don't have complete and perfect knowledge, especially about the supernatural." You also believe (and depend on entirely) in human infallibility, while we reject such a ridiculous belief.

Rather and clearly, it is the concept of theism that is irrational, because it implies complete and perfect knowledge of the supernatural which has been passed down perfectly and without error for many generations over millennia (ie, human infallibility), all of which is completely beyond human capability.

Theists claim to have complete and perfect knowledge about the supernatural and want to sell us their bill of goods. Atheists just refuse to buy that pig in a poke.

Seeing through a swindle and not falling for it is quite rational.

Don't you know the policy, you need to post on topic. Perhaps you want to try and do the mathematics of descent with modification and adaptation and explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski experiments? Here are two publications that show how the math is done.
For the Kishony experiment which evolves in an environment with a single selection pressure and with minimal competition such that fixation is not required:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for the Lenski experiment which evolves in an environment with a single selection pressure but has intense competition such that fixation is required at each adaptive mutational step:
Fixation and Adaptation in the Lenski E. coli Long Term Evolution Experiment
If you find the mathematics hard to understand when fixation and adaptation must both occur for the evolutionary process, here is a short presentation video that explains the steps in detail for the Lenski experiment:
The Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment
dwise1, if you feel that the mathematics is wrong, point out the error(s). If you think the physics is wrong, point that out. I don't think you will find any errors in either the math or the physics. This mathematics very closely fits the behavior of both the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments and biologists have not understood or presented the behavior of either experiment correctly.

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Message 963 of 963 (910596)
04-27-2023 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 943 by AZPaul3
04-09-2023 11:24 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Maybe we've seen the last of him.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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