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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
Kleinman
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Message 946 of 963 (909722)
04-09-2023 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 945 by Dredge
04-09-2023 11:52 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
Their beliefs are so weird
Dredge:
Throw out the truth - as atheists do - and all you have left is nonsense and superstition.

It is worse than nonsense and superstition, it is harmful and destructive.
Kleinman:
vimesey thinks I can do photosynthesis. He pictures me as plankton!
Dredge:
I remember as a boy my grandfather saying that his great-grandfather was known for being able to perform partial-photosynthesis ... strong evidence that we share common ancestry with plants.

These biologists have laymen thinking they are related to fecal bacteria. I'm impressed with their ability to do a con job.

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Message 947 of 963 (909723)
04-09-2023 12:19 PM
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04-09-2023 12:13 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
These biologists have laymen thinking they are related to fecal bacteria. I'm impressed with their ability to do a con job.
It's very sad that the noble science of biology has for decades been dominated by Darwinoid bs-artists and con-men.

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Kleinman
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Message 948 of 963 (909726)
04-09-2023 12:42 PM
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04-09-2023 12:19 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
These biologists have laymen thinking they are related to fecal bacteria. I'm impressed with their ability to do a con job.
Dredge:
It's very sad that the noble science of biology has for decades been dominated by Darwinoid bs-artists and con-men.

Darwin got some things right, he correctly described descent with modification and adaptation, and biological competition. However, he didn't do the mathematics. Biologists have done ok when it comes to doing the mathematics of biological competition but failed to understand how it affects descent with modification and adaptation. If Darwin and biologists had done the mathematics of descent with modification and adaptation correctly, they would have seen that universal common descent is not possible. Darwin had a good excuse, he had no awareness of DNA or mutations, biologists on the other hand, have no excuse for their blunders and ongoing con job.

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Message 949 of 963 (909727)
04-09-2023 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 948 by Kleinman
04-09-2023 12:42 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
As an undergraduate Zoologist I lived with two Aeronautical Engineers. They explained mathematically to me that bumble bees can't fly.
The observation of bees flying suggested that the mathematics might be incomplete or just wrong. The problem was solved in 2000.
The Bumblebee Flight Myth - Animal Dynamics
You see Kleinman, you have it all backwards, your model needs to explain reality, if it can't, it's wrong.

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Kleinman
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Message 950 of 963 (909728)
04-09-2023 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 949 by Tangle
04-09-2023 1:05 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Tangle:
As an undergraduate Zoologist I lived with two Aeronautical Engineers. They explained mathematically to me that bumble bees can't fly.
Can't you think of any new lines? This is the same stupid argument people like you come up with when they can't explain how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail. By the way, I learned in engineering school that if you put big enough engine on anything, you can make it fly. Since I haven't brought up bumble bees anywhere in this discussion, only the physics and mathematics of biological evolution, explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Or are you one of those biologists that think that experimentation and mathematics has no place in scientific analysis?

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Message 951 of 963 (909730)
04-09-2023 2:19 PM
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04-08-2023 2:11 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
Tangle's link is behind a paywall but he posts the link because he thinks this is proof.
Tangled is just being a good Darwinoid. A good Darwinoid claims to have "proof" and "facts" when all he has is theory, speculation and belief. Darwinoids are con-men ... they lie all the time.

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Dredge
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Message 952 of 963 (909731)
04-09-2023 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 950 by Kleinman
04-09-2023 1:15 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Or are you one of those biologists that think that experimentation and mathematics has no place in scientific analysis?
No wonder the Darwinoid cult doesn't like your mathematics ... a billion replications per adaptive step makes their common-descent bedtime story look like a bedtime story.

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Kleinman
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Message 953 of 963 (909732)
04-09-2023 2:39 PM
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04-09-2023 2:25 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Or are you one of those biologists that think that experimentation and mathematics has no place in scientific analysis?
Dredge:
No wonder the Darwinoid cult doesn't like your mathematics ... a billion replications per adaptive step makes their common-descent bedtime story look like a bedtime story.

That's only the beginning of the story. The Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments are performed in a single selection environment. In a multiple selection pressure environment, the number of replications necessary for adaptation goes up exponentially. That's why 3-drug combination therapy (3 selection pressures) works for the treatment of HIV. Even HIV cannot reach a population size for descent with modification and adaptation to work when the evolutionary process has to evolve to 3 simultaneous selection conditions. That is what this mathematics is all about. Are chimps and humans related? No way, you just don't have the population size for this kind of evolutionary process to happen.

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Message 954 of 963 (909735)
04-09-2023 3:09 PM
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04-09-2023 2:39 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
Are chimps and humans related? No way, you just don't have the population size for this kind of evolutionary process to happen.
Mission: Impossible.

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Kleinman
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Message 955 of 963 (909736)
04-09-2023 3:38 PM
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04-09-2023 3:09 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
Are chimps and humans related? No way, you just don't have the population size for this kind of evolutionary process to happen.
Dredge:
Mission: Impossible.

Perhaps if they put some Starship Enterprise impulse engines on their idea of UCD, they could make it fly, at warped mind speed.

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Message 956 of 963 (909738)
04-09-2023 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 953 by Kleinman
04-09-2023 2:39 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
That's only the beginning of the story. The Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments are performed in a single selection environment. In a multiple selection pressure environment, the number of replications necessary for adaptation goes up exponentially.
Ouch! You're a real party-pooper and balloon-burster ... not to mention having little aptitude for fairy-tales.

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Kleinman
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Message 957 of 963 (909739)
04-09-2023 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 956 by Dredge
04-09-2023 3:48 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
That's only the beginning of the story. The Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments are performed in a single selection environment. In a multiple selection pressure environment, the number of replications necessary for adaptation goes up exponentially.
Dredge:
Ouch! You're a real party-pooper and balloon-burster ... not to mention having little aptitude for fairy-tales.

Oh, I like fairytales. When we were young we got Mother Goose, and now that we are older, we get Papa Gander.

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Dredge
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Message 958 of 963 (909740)
04-09-2023 5:24 PM
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04-09-2023 4:31 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
When we were young we got Mother Goose, and now that we are older, we get Papa Gander.
I didn't get that one straight away.
The Darwinoid cultists are very devoted to Papa Gander - in fact, they much prefer PG to science and reality.

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Kleinman
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Message 959 of 963 (909741)
04-09-2023 5:53 PM
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04-09-2023 5:24 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
When we were young we got Mother Goose, and now that we are older, we get Papa Gander.
Dredge:
I didn't get that one straight away.
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The Darwinoid cultists are very devoted to Papa Gander - in fact, they much prefer PG to science and reality.

Have a happy and joyous resurrection day.

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Dredge
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Message 960 of 963 (909743)
04-09-2023 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 959 by Kleinman
04-09-2023 5:53 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Thank you. Happy Easter.

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