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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
Kleinman
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Message 766 of 1104 (909246)
03-30-2023 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 764 by AZPaul3
03-29-2023 8:04 PM


Kleinman:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection. -Kleinman

The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance. - Kleinman​
AZPaul3:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

You should really include the links to those papers since I'm claiming these papers explain how drug resistance evolves and gives the mathematics for descent with modification and adaptation since biologists have not done this correctly, so here they are.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
And as a bonus, here is a short presentation video that explains how to combine the mathematics of biological competition with the mathematics of descent with modification and adaptation to a single selection pressure (the Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment).
The Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment
Find any errors in the math or bogus conclusions if you can.

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Kleinman
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Message 767 of 1104 (909247)
03-30-2023 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 765 by AZPaul3
03-29-2023 8:48 PM


Kleinman:
AZPaul3 is driven by his hate. He hates God ...
AZPaul3:
Which one is that? There are thousands. And that's just in your house.

Doesn't matter. You are right. God is a most hateful concept no matter what the cult.

It is good to know that your hatred has no discrimination. And you have the culture of utopia.
Kleinman:
... and he hates people that believe in God ...
AZPaul3:
Nah. Can't hate people. Religion does enough of that in our world.

How heartwarming, AZPaul3 has a heart full of love.

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AZPaul3
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Message 768 of 1104 (909250)
03-30-2023 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 766 by Kleinman
03-30-2023 8:51 AM


You should really include the links to those papers since ...
I would give due deference to legitimate science papers presented by competent intellectuals but I will not give such respect to your errant misrepresentations on bogus data and bogus conclusions.
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection. -Kleinman

The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance. - Kleinman​
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 769 of 1104 (909252)
03-30-2023 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 768 by AZPaul3
03-30-2023 9:47 AM


Kleinman:
You should really include the links to those papers since ...
AZPaul3:
I would give due deference to legitimate science papers presented by competent intellectuals but I will not give such respect to your errant misrepresentations of bogus data and bogus conclusions.

If AZPaul3 could recognize legitimate science he could explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail but sadly he can't. And what he calls legitimate science can't explain how the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments work.
Kleinman:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection. -Kleinman

The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance. - Kleinman​​
AZPaul3:
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

Since AZPaul3 can't recognize legitimate science, here are the papers he won't list that explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
And as a bonus, here is a short presentation video that explains how to combine the mathematics of biological competition with the mathematics of descent with modification and adaptation to a single selection pressure (the Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment).
The Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment
Find any errors in the math or bogus conclusions if you can. But since AZPaul3 can't explain how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail, or explain how the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments work, he may make his post as he tries to cope with his burst bubble.

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AZPaul3
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Message 770 of 1104 (909255)
03-30-2023 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 769 by Kleinman
03-30-2023 10:08 AM


CAUTION: The Kleinman papers listed above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.
But since AZPaul3 can't explain how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail, or explain how the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments work, he may make his post as he tries to cope with his burst bubble.
Your papers show and explain no such things. They are bogus.
How many forum sites have you been kicked off? A dozen? Your winning personality is part of that, I'm sure, but mostly it's because your stuff is crap. No one believes you, Kleinman.
And, no, I will not now explain genetics, resistance or other people's work to you since you haven't been able to comprehend corrections from ... from how many sites have you been banned?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 771 of 1104 (909259)
03-30-2023 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 770 by AZPaul3
03-30-2023 10:29 AM


AZPaul3:
CAUTION: The Kleinman papers listed above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.
Kleinman:
But since AZPaul3 can't explain how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail, or explain how the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments work, he may make his post as he tries to cope with his burst bubble.
AZPaul3:
Your papers show and explain no such things. They are bogus.

How many forum sites have you been kicked off? A dozen? Your winning personality is part of that, I'm sure, but mostly it's because your stuff is crap. No one believes you, Kleinman.

And, no, I will not now explain genetics, resistance or other people's work to you since you haven't been able to comprehend corrections from ... from how many sites have you been banned?


AZPaul3 can't explain the evolution of drug resistance or why cancer treatments fail, or explain the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments and neither can biologists and he wants to shut done the discussion when the correct explanation of biological evolution is given. Here are the lists of links which AZPaul3 can't explain because they burst his bubble.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
And as a bonus, here is a short presentation video that explains how to combine the mathematics of biological competition with the mathematics of descent with modification and adaptation to a single selection pressure (the Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment).
The Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment
Shut it down if you can AZPaul3 but the physical and mathematical facts have come out that explains how biological evolution works. And these facts burst your bubble. Taq and dwise1 know it but they are having a hard time as well because it burst their bubble as well.

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Taq
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Message 772 of 1104 (909260)
03-30-2023 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 757 by Kleinman
03-29-2023 6:12 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
203,000 retroviral infections to a germ cell line and the lineage does just fine is part of your belief system.
It's an observed fact as detailed in the 2001 human genome paper.

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Taq
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Message 773 of 1104 (909261)
03-30-2023 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 758 by Kleinman
03-29-2023 6:18 PM


Kleinman writes:
You won't unless you post my papers because biologists have failed to explain these experiments.
I already explained them here:
https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&t=20319

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Taq
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Message 774 of 1104 (909262)
03-30-2023 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 763 by Kleinman
03-29-2023 7:56 PM


Kleinman writes:
Now, here are the papers that explain descent with modification and adaptation that explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. They also give the mathematical explanation of the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments (if you include the mathematical explanation for biological competition for the Lenski experiment. Here are the links to those papers:
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
And one you left out which explains the mathematics of the Lenski experiment:
The Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment

Study those links and learn something about the mathematics of biological evolution.
"A stubborn man can't change his mind and won't change the subject."--Winston Churchill

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Taq
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Message 775 of 1104 (909264)
03-30-2023 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 759 by Kleinman
03-29-2023 6:21 PM


Kleinman writes:
What do you call a person that doesn't believe that God exists?
They would not be a Jew, Christian, or Muslim.
If you are talking about someone who doesn't believe in any deities, that would be an atheist. A = without, theism=believe in deities. A-theism is without a belief in deities.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 776 of 1104 (909265)
03-30-2023 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 772 by Taq
03-30-2023 10:44 AM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
203,000 retroviral infections to a germ cell line and the lineage does just fine is part of your belief system.
Taq:
It's an observed fact as detailed in the 2001 human genome paper.

Taq, you have lost the ability to be a critical thinker. Let's see if it can be brought back.
Tell us what the genetic structure of a virus is, for example, HIV and tell us if multicellular replicators have any similar types of genetic structures.

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 777 of 1104 (909266)
03-30-2023 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 773 by Taq
03-30-2023 10:46 AM


Kleinman:
You won't unless you post my papers because biologists have failed to explain these experiments.
Taq:
I already explained them here:

EvC Forum: Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..."

When are you going to publish your findings since Kishony and Lenski haven't explained mathematically either of their experiment? In particular, they don't explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation.

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Kleinman
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Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 778 of 1104 (909267)
03-30-2023 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 774 by Taq
03-30-2023 10:48 AM


Kleinman:
Now, here are the papers that explain descent with modification and adaptation that explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. They also give the mathematical explanation of the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments (if you include the mathematical explanation for biological competition for the Lenski experiment. Here are the links to those papers:
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
And one you left out which explains the mathematics of the Lenski experiment:
The Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment
Study those links and learn something about the mathematics of biological evolution.
Taq:
"A stubborn man can't change his mind and won't change the subject."--Winston Churchill

Any stubbornness that I might have is nothing compared to the centuries of stubbornness that biologists have had in their misinterpretation of biological evolution. Why do you cling so stubbornly to this physically and mathematically irrational belief, universal common descent?

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AZPaul3
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Message 779 of 1104 (909268)
03-30-2023 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 771 by Kleinman
03-30-2023 10:44 AM


Shut it down if you can AZPaul3 but the physical and mathematical facts have come out that explains how biological evolution works.
And no one else on the planet has figured out how all this works. Only you.
Charlatan.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Posts: 2142
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2016


Message 780 of 1104 (909269)
03-30-2023 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 775 by Taq
03-30-2023 11:04 AM


Kleinman:
What do you call a person that doesn't believe that God exists?
Taq:
They would not be a Jew, Christian, or Muslim.

If you are talking about someone who doesn't believe in any deities, that would be an atheist. A = without, theism=believe in deities. A-theism is without a belief in deities.

It seems like that definition is different than the one you gave previously. So, which of your definitions of atheism applies to you?

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