Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2

Kleinman:

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Don't forget panspermia.

Dredge:

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Another fine example of the contributions atheist scientists have made to the field science-fiction.
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I think someone must have watched too many episodes of Star Trek.

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It is scientific training by Marvel Comics. It gives a whole new meaning to the "Web of Science".

Kleinman:

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For a single selection pressure:

AZPaul3:

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CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.
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The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

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Try using a larger font, it might make it more convincing. Since you still don't list the papers that you are talking about, I'll help you
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
If you have trouble understanding the "at least one" rule and the multiplication rule, dwise1 can explain them to you. You can use this math to model the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments as well as explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail.

Kleinman:

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It is scientific training by Marvel Comics. It gives a whole new meaning to the "Web of Science".

Dredge:

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Funny.
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Pseudo-science has provided so much entertainment, so we owe atheist scientists a great debt of gratitude.

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I don't think these people are acting. I think these people have lost contact with reality.

Kleinman:

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It is scientific training by Marvel Comics

Dredge:

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I'm looking forward to the adventures of their new super-hero ... UCD-man. (Universal Common Descent)

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Sure, they can get an out of work Transformer to play the role. He turns into whatever the environmental conditions require.

Kleinman:

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For a single selection pressure:

AZPaul3:

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CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.
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The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

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Do you really think a smaller font will work? Why don't you try bold face, italics, with a color change, and list the papers you are talking about.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
If you have trouble understanding the "at least one" rule and the multiplication rule, dwise1 can explain them to you. Even Taq with his limited training in math knows this math is correct for asexual replicators. You can use this math to model the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments as well as explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail.

AZPaul3:

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CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.
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The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

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Too bad that the layman AZPaul3 can't find any errors in the mathematics or conclusions. Let the readers come to their own conclusions and since AZPaul3 doesn't list the papers, here they are.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
If you have trouble understanding the "at least one" rule and the multiplication rule, dwise1 can explain them to you. Even Taq with his limited training in math knows this math is correct for asexual replicators. You can use this math to model the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments as well as explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail.

AZPaul3:

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CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.
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The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

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AZPaul3 is afraid for reader to read these papers because they burst his mathematically irrational belief system. Since he doesn't list the papers he is afraid for the reader to read, I will list them for you.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
If you have trouble understanding the "at least one" rule and the multiplication rule, dwise1 can explain them to you. Even Taq with his limited training in math knows this math is correct for asexual replicators. You can use this math to model the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments as well as explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail.It is strange that AZPaul3 would not want to understand the mathematical behavior of descent with modification and adaptation because this gives the correct explanation for the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. AZPaul3 can not deal with this reality.

AZPaul3:

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CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.
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The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

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AZPaul3 cannot understand the following papers so he must claim that they are wrong. AZPaul3, you are very zealous in your mathematically irrational beliefs but they are wrong. Have you even read these papers, let alone understood them? I list them again for you.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistanceThe single selection pressure model applies to the Lenski Long Term Evolution Experiment but you have to include Haldane's biological competition model to do that calculation. Here is a new video presentation that shows how to apply the single selection pressure model with Haldane's biological competition model to the Lenski experiment:
The Lenski Long Term Evolution ExperimentYou may not understand this, AZPaul3, but someone with scientific and mathematical training and experience will understand this.

Kleinman:

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Sure, they can get an out of work Transformer to play the role. He turns into whatever the environmental conditions require.

Dredge:

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Correct. Our latest comic-book hero, UCD-man, started life as a bacterium, but he can transform (evolve) into different creatures, depending on whatever environmental conditions he finds himself in. For example, sometimes he's a vegetable; sometimes he's a lobster; sometimes he's a human. He can do this bcoz vegetables, lobsters and humans are cousins and all evolved from a common ancestor.

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It makes for good comic book entertainment for children, but it is lousy training for scientists. Scientists trained with this type of fiction are unable to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. Scientists should not be trained with fantasy comic books.

Kleinman:

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AZPaul3 is afraid for reader to read these papers because they burst his mathematically irrational belief system.

Dredge:

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Atheists like APauling are afraid of the light. Have pity on him.

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AZPaul3 is driven by his hate. He hates God and he hates people that believe in God, even if their belief is flawed. His parents named him Paul (perhaps after the apostle). It makes you wonder whether he hates his parents because of this.

Kleinman:

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You are being silly again. You are claiming that it happens 203,000 times.

Taq:

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I have the evidence that it has happened 203,000 times. I also have the evidence of a currently active retrovirus creating ERV's in real time. There are koalas that have over 50 of these endogenous insertions.

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Let's consider another one of your irrational ideas in more detail, that of ERVs. You claim that humans and chimps share 203,000 ERVs because a common ancestorial lineage had these ERVs before the human and chimp lineages branched. And those ERVs represent 8% of the genome of both humans and chimps. Here's a simple representation of the nested hierarchy. Were ERVs being accumulated in the genomes of the earliest life forms? If so, what is the percentage of the genome of these ERVs accumulated? And when were these ERVs accumulated in human/chimpanzee lineage.

Taq:

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I'm not sure when the earliest retroviruses started inserting themselves into the genomes of host organisms.

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Of course, you aren't sure. You are speculating. Viruses attack every life form. Bacteriophages are viruses that invade bacteria. Everything living cell is a potential target for a virus.
Virus - Wikipedia

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A virus is a submicroscopic infectious agent that replicates only inside the living cells of an organism. Viruses infect all life forms, from animals and plants to microorganisms, including bacteria and archaea.

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Kleinman:

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You are being silly again. I learned how meiosis works in biology.

Taq:

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If you still think the multiplication rule applies to sexually reproducing species then you need to go back to your studies.

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Why do you want to show your mathematical incompetence? The probability of an adaptive recombination event occurring depends on the frequencies of each of the adaptive alleles. You compute that joint probability by multiplying each of the frequencies of those alleles. You didn't learn that in any of the comic books used in your training.

Kleinman:

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He hates God and he hates people that believe in God,

Taq:

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An atheist can't hate God because they don't believe in God. We can no more hate God than you can gate Santa Claus . . . unless you believe in Santa Claus. Do you?

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Don't you remember what you wrote in response to what I wrote? Message 681

Kleinman:

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So, when an atheist says there is no God,

Taq:

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I'm an atheist and I don't say that. Perhaps you don't understand atheism?

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Do you want me to post the definition of atheism again for you?

Kleinman:

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Scientists trained with this type of fiction are unable to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

Taq:

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You don't even understand how a Punnett square works. I learned that in 6th grade, and you can't seem to understand what it means. You also can't seem to understand that a vertebrate genome is made up of many chromosomes, nor understand how alleles and genes work. Let's not even get into your complete misunderstanding of how meiosis works. Most of the time you can't even understand that there is more than one gene in a genome.

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Take Punnett's square or anything else you know about genetics and you still can't explain the evolution of drug resistance or why cancer treatments fail. Biologists failed at understanding the fundamental principle of descent with modification and adaptation. That is a fact. And you are a perfect example of that educational failure.

Kleinman:

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Do you want me to post the definition of atheism again for you?

Tanypteryx:

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It's always funny when religious nutjobs, like you, try tell atheists what atheism is.

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Tany is a perfect example of why social promotion has failed the educational system.

Kleinman:

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Tany is a perfect example of why social promotion has failed the educational system.

Tanypteryx:

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Says the guy who got his MD from a Caribbean diploma mill.

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And passed all my licensing examinations with high scores the first time through. Tell us all about your social promotions and how you can explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. We won't hold our breath for your explanation. Your school graduated some really dumb biologists, like you.