Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2

Tangle:

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Francis Crick, well known for never having a new idea in his life.
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Francis Crick (1916–2004): English molecular biologist, physicist, and neuroscientist; noted for being one of the co-discoverers of the structure of the DNA molecule in 1953. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1962.[83][84][85][86][87][88][89]

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Don't forget panspermia.

Theodoric:

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Irrelevant.

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Panspermia is one of the best concepts to come about from atheists. It indicates an awareness that DNA could not evolve spontaneously. Of course, DNA arriving from the planet Krypton is a bit bizarre.

Kleinman:

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Atheism is based on the irrational concept that there is no God. That would require knowledge of everything.

AZPaul3:

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No, fool. Atheism, like everything in reality, is based on the preponderance of the evidence. Specifically in this case, ALL the evidence that has ever been produced vis-à-vis gods.

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AZPaul3 will now present his preponderance of the evidence, just as he explains the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail.

Tangle:

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Well that was fun but to continue would be cruel.
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What you just demonstrated Kleinman, is that you cannot admit to a mistake. You made a false claim that was easily disproven but you just couldn't accept it.
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You've done this many times in this thread on things that actually matter. And now you've shown us why you make false claims and then refuse to accept the evidence that you're wrong. You do it because you have a religious belief that you think is jeopardised by the evidence.
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You can never be a scientist Kleinman; you're incapable of following the evidence wherever it takes you. Your beliefs have corrupted your mind.
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Religion poisons everything.

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Won't you tell us how we came to being by panspermia?And feel free to point out any errors in my mathematics or physics of these publications which correct the deficiencies that biologists have made in explaining descent with modification and adaptation. Your flawless atheistic logic should be able to do this.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
For multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
If you have trouble doing the math, ask dwise1.

Tangle:

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I should add as a postscript, that the discoverer of evolution himself, Charles Darwin, was not an atheist
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“In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God.” Letter from Charles Darwin to John Fordyce on 7 May 1879 three years before he died.
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You guys have only yourselves to blame.

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Do you even understand the physics of Darwinian evolution? Darwin got the fundamental physics of descent with modification and adaptation and biological competition correct. What Darwin didn't do is the mathematics of this process. Biologists did a good job describing the mathematics of biological competition but have muddled around trying to explain descent with modification and adaptation correctly. Here is what Darwin said in his book "Origin of Species":

Darwin:

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For it should be remembered that the competition will generally be most severe between those forms which are most nearly related to each other in habits, constitution, and structure. Hence all the intermediate forms between the earlier and later states, that is between the less and more improved state of a species, as well as the original parent-species itself, will generally tend to become extinct. So it probably will be with many whole collateral lines of descent, which will be conquered by later and improved lines of descent. If, however, the modified offspring of a species get into some distinct country, or become quickly adapted to some quite new station, in which child and parent do not come into competition, both may continue to exist.

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If you know how to do the mathematics of the physics that Darwin is describing here, you can do the mathematics of the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments. You haven't done this but that's no surprise, neither have biologists. You are very superficial in your atheistic thinking.

AZPaul3:

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Atheism

Dredge:

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As an atheist, all you've got to look forward to is old age, sickness and death. Good luck with that.

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His only hope is that there is nothing after death. He thinks he has the preponderance of the evidence. He can present that evidence to Jesus Christ when his day of judgment comes. He can tell Christ, "You are lucky I was there, I'm such a good guy".

Kleinman:

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If you have trouble doing the math, ask dwise1.

dwise1:

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At least Tangle would listen to my explanation, while you keep your head firmly wedged up your ass.
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You stupid troll.

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What's the matter dwise1? Don't you want to explain the "at least one rule" to Tangle? Don't you want to show Tangle where your head is? That and the multiplication rule are used to explain descent with modification and adaptation. And it is disappointing that you haven't used a single smiley face in your post.

Kleinman:

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You won't admit to what the entire life cycle is of the virus because it doesn't fit your irrational belief system.

Taq:

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I will gladly admit that the lifecycle can include the production of viral particles from provirus inserted into the genome. There can also be cases where this doesn't happen. That is what you won't admit.

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You are being silly again. You are claiming that it happens 203,000 times.

Kleinman:

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Tell us about those infected with HIV and are not being treated.

Taq:

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Tell us about those who are infected with HTLV, most of whom will only ever have mild symptoms. Tell us how this retrovirus is not driving humans to extinction.

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They have mild symptoms except for those that end up with lymphoma. And how many of those cases were due to the infection of a germ cell line?

Kleinman:

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I also disagree with your irrational understanding of the physics and mathematics of biological evolution. That is why you can't explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail. You make irrational misinterpretations of the data to fit your faulty belief system. That's why you can't explain mathematically the Kishony, Lenski, Desai, or Peabody experiments and make irrational extrapolations of the Desai and Peabody experiments.

Taq:

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You are running away from the fact that you disagree with all of the top virologists in the world.

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Sometime really bad and irrational ideas circulate among scientists. Virologists and biologists have bungled the physics and mathematics of descent with modification and adaptation. Perhaps if you studied some thermodynamics you could see your error?
The following is from Message 681

Kleinman:

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So, when an atheist says there is no God,

Taq:

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I'm an atheist and I don't say that. Perhaps you don't understand atheism?

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Atheism - Wikipedia

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Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

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Do you know everything in the universe? If you were logical, you would call yourself agnostic. But you are not logical.

Kleinman:

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How do atheists come up with that idea? Give us your rational explanation.

Taq:

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Our lack of belief in your god is really no different than your lack of belief in Thor or Vishnu.

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I wouldn't say it that way. The belief in Thor or Vishnu is a misunderstanding of God.
The following is a response to Message 682

Kleinman:

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That and the multiplication rule are used to explain descent with modification and adaptation.

Taq:

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Even after all this time you still don't understand how meiosis and sexual reproduction works.

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You are being silly again. I learned how meiosis works in biology. However, if you think you could breed a humans from chimpanzees, go for it.Let's consider another one of your irrational ideas in more detail, that of ERVs. You claim that humans and chimps share 203,000 ERVs because a common ancestorial lineage had these ERVs before the human and chimp lineages branched. And those ERVs represent 8% of the genome of both humans and chimps. Here's a simple representation of the nested hierarchy. Were ERVs being accumulated in the genomes of the earliest life forms? If so, what is the percentage of the genome of these ERVs accumulated?

Kleinman:

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For a single selection pressure: ...

AZPaul3:

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CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.
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The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

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You forgot to list those papers.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
For multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistanceAnd dwise1 will help you with the mathematics. He can explain the "at least one rule" and the multiplication rule to you.

Kleinman:

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Atheism is based on the irrational concept that there is no God. That would require knowledge of everything.

Dredge:

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Anyone who claims there is no God and no after-life must have died and seen what's on the other side, then come back to tell us. How did people like APauling do that? It's an astonishing feat!!

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Don't you know that atheists have a preponderance of evidence? It's a secret only they can understand.

Kleinman:

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His only hope is that there is nothing after death. He thinks he has the preponderance of the evidence. He can present that evidence to Jesus Christ when his day of judgment comes

Dredge:

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"For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse" (Romans 1:19-20)

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You are quoting the Bible to those that hate the Bible. They don't want to know they are sinners. They are sinners that can't do mathematics.

Kleinman:

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They think they have the corner on science but don't understand the simplest principles.
What is sad is how their kind of thinking permeates the field of biology. It is no wonder that biologists have failed to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. They are too busy pursuing their pseudo-scientific beliefs, like nested hierarchies and these weird claims about retroviruses.

Dredge:

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That's what happens when atheist fantasies about the history of life on earth replaces true science.

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They are an arrogant clique. They aren't much different than the cliques you read about in the Bible. It is no surprise that they won't read the Bible and actually don't want the Bible to be taught. The Bible reveals too many of their sins.

Kleinman:

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Don't you know that atheists can prove there is no God?

Dredge:

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Their claims about God are as embarrassing as some of their claims about science.

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This is what happens when there is a lack of teaching of the Bible. This leads to the behavior of doing what is right in their own mind. The problem is that they have a twisted idea of what is right.

Tangle:

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You need to take a few logic lessons...

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I don't know or care what Francis Crick thought about aliens and certainly don't trust a word you say about what he thought about it.
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Life being seeded here from other parts of the galaxy is one possibility - amino acids and other molecules are found on asteroids - but it doesn't solve the problem of how life started elsewhere so that it could get here.

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Why don't you give us your logic about panspermia? Tell us how life came to Earth from the planet Krypton by the starship Enterprise, flown by R2D2. If you find that too difficult, tell us how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

Kleinman:

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You forgot to list those papers.

AZPaul3:

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CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.
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The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

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Even with a bigger font, you still forget to list those papers. I'll help you.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
If you have trouble understanding the "at least one" rule and the multiplication rule, dwise1 can explain them to you. You can use this math to model the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments as well as explain the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail.