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Author Topic:   A Way to Think About Free Will and God: Open Theism
NosyNed
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Message 196 of 378 (845982)
12-24-2018 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Phat
12-24-2018 2:50 PM


Screamingly Obvious
At the time animal sacrifice was pretty much 100 % for all sects. Jesus is just an exaggeration of the idea. If you don't slice open lambs at least once a year who aren't a true believer.

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Message 290 of 378 (846422)
01-05-2019 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by GDR
01-05-2019 5:23 PM


Evidence or Not
Of course it is historical evidence. What you are talking about is its reliability.
With you I can agree on this. A robin singing in spring is evidence. Anything can be pulled in as evidence.
Reliability is one of the things to consider, of course.
The other is relevance. It would take amazing mind contortions to make my robin relevant evidence in this contest.
I'd say to Ringo, the bible is evidence. It seems to be the only relevant evidence. It's reliability is on very shaky ground though.

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NosyNed
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Message 292 of 378 (846424)
01-05-2019 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by GDR
01-05-2019 3:43 PM


All right?
...they can all be right ...
They disagree so they can not be all right.

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NosyNed
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Message 312 of 378 (846452)
01-06-2019 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 311 by Percy
01-06-2019 10:11 AM


The gospels are evidence!
I disagree here. The gospels are evidence and the JK Rowling books are kind of evidence too.
The issue is how reliable are they? The Rowling books are explicitly stated by the author to be unreliable evidence (i.e., fiction) for the existance of Hogwarts.
The gospels might therefore be taken as a tich more "reliable" than the Harry Potter series.
But, as you suggest (but could be clearer about), it takes other sources of evidence to support a written work as reliable.
In addition, other than some minor things (e.g., the warning about the ides of march), the written material from Roman times is not flooded with magic and the supernatural which is part of the evidence against the reliability of the gospels.
So I agree with GDR, the NT is evidence. However, it is a demonstration of how weak his case is because it is such obviously poor evidence.

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