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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
A nineteenth century theory based on the superstition of spontaneous generation and which is contradicted by fossil evidence are perfectly good reasons for concluding that that theory is grossly inadequate and suspect. Then I'm glad no one subscribes to such a theory. We have the ToE which is so much better, so accurate, so successful, so predictive. Amazing what science can do with facts.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 111 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
Correct.
The earth is very old - let's say 3.4bn years? Your Christian god created it?
Not quite correct. My Christian God created it (ie, not "god" but "God").
Your Christian god created simple life forms which then evolved through natural processes into more complex lifeforms?
Incorrect. God created simple life forms which "evolved" via non-natural processes into more complex lifeforms.
Until they got to the Cambrian, then aliens got to work with their genetic engineering? Then normal evolution occurs again for the next 600million years or so? Then we get to our ape descendants where your Christian god comes back and create Homo sapiens?
Incorrect. My "aliens" theory has nothing at all to do with my "God" theory. They are two separate theories. I wear two different hats - my "God" hat and my "Science" hat, depending on the audience. When I'm wearing my Science hat, my "aliens' theory is my best SCIENTIFIC theory for the what was responsible the fossil record. But having said that, I don't believe my or any "best scientific theory" for what is responsible for the fossil record, because I believe science cannot explain what is responsible for the fossil record. When I'm wearing my God hat, I believe the fossil record can be explained only by miracles and divine intervention. So I believe my God theory, but not my "aliens" theory. My "aliens" theory is simply a demonstration the stupendous brilliance of my scientific mind and an attempt to win a Nobel Prize for Science.
Do the aliens return after the various mass extinction events- maybe after dinosaurs go extinct for instance?
Extinction events can be explained by some unforeseen natural event that the aliens had no control over, or they can be explained by the aliens getting bored with a certain line of genetic experimentation and starting again on a different tact - although other aliens scenarios can be thought of besides the "boredom" hypothesis.
Do you worship the aliens?
No way! I worship only God. The "aliens" are just a fantasy masquerading as science . you know, just like Darwinism is. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
non-natural processes You mean as in smoke and mirrors majik? Maybe more like she sneezed her nose at some DNA?
When I'm wearing my God hat, I believe the fossil record can be explained only by miracles and divine intervention. You forgot the nose sneezing.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Why do you call David Gelernter a whackjob? He's not more a whackjob than I am. I guess I will never know why you posted Gelernter's crap.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 111 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
A probable explanation for that is, I am a genius and you are a intellectual mediocrity.
I have never thought of genetic engineering as a mechanism of evolution Would you consider stem cell therapies to try and cure an individual's genetic disease, genetic engineering? Or is genetic engineering strictly modifying the germ line?
Er, why have you posed me this question immediately after I said "I know next to nothing about genetic engineering"? A genius doesn't know everything! Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 111 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
Prejudice is easy - the hard part is proving that it's "crap".
I guess I will never know why you posted Gelernter's crap.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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Dredge writes: My "aliens" theory is simply a demonstration the stupendous brilliance of my scientific mind and an attempt to win a Nobel Prize for Science. The Nobel Prize for Science, Huh? Is there somewhere we can order t-shirts?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
I know next to nothing about genetic engineering If the genius doesn't know anything about the subject then why is he expounding on it? That's not genius. That's egomaniac delusion. Is your hair orange?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Tanypteryx writes:
Prejudice is easy - the hard part is proving that it's "crap". I guess I will never know why you posted Gelernter's crap. It's up to him to prove it's not crap. And I still am not a step closer to know why you posted it.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 111 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
Er, no . that's not how it works - you made the claim that it's crap, so the onus is on your to prove your claim. It's up to him to prove it's not crap. Furthermore, I made no claim about Gelernter's opinion on the fossil record; I merely posted his thoughts.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8685 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Do you think Prof. Gelernter's views have any credence with the keepers of the sacred ToE?
He's a religiously inspired computer programmer. I have as much influence over the intellectual directions of biology and evolution as does he. But his ideas are somewhat wacked as are yours so I'm thinking that kinship of delusion is your reason for citing him.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
Dredge writes: Er, no . that's not how it works - you made the claim that it's crap, so the onus is on your to prove your claim.Furthermore, I made no claim about Gelernter's opinion on the fossil record; I merely posted his thoughts. And I still have no idea why you posted anything by or about him. I still think it's crap. I have no interest in what he writes or thinks on any subject and as far as I can tell, he is not doing research on any subject I'm interested in learning more about. Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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JonF Member (Idle past 464 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Er, that's not how it works. The act of posting is making a claim of relevance for which you are responsible for (and obviously incapable of) supporting. .
YECs have a habit of not "allowing" any logical deductions from their messages, acknowledging only strict literal readings. Seems to be a consequence of their inabilities. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
Hitchens's razor - WikipediaFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10348 Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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Dredge writes: My aliens are as invisible as your macroevolution. Macroevolution is seen in every comparison of genomes: "Outside of a time machine, Darwin could hardly have imagined a more powerful data set than comparative genomics to confirm his theory."--Francis Collins, "Faith and the Human Genome" We can also see it in the fossil record:
Covering your eyes doesn't make the evidence go away.
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