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Author Topic:   Any practical use for Universal Common Ancestor?
JonF
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Message 778 of 1385 (852069)
05-06-2019 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 775 by Faith
05-06-2019 5:32 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
... it would take hundreds or thousands or millions of them before you'd get anything remotely close to the inner ear bones of the mammal
Show the math. Small changes can have far-reaching consequences.
Of course the point is that you have no clue how many changes or what changes would be required over a time period about which you are, wait for it...
Clueless!

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JonF
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Message 779 of 1385 (852070)
05-06-2019 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 777 by Dredge
05-06-2019 5:35 PM


Re: Scientific theory and "proof" vs validation/s
We have no credible evidence of advanced aliens or interstellar travel.
ABE your inability to understand Popper is yours. That paragraph is well written and easily comprehended by one with the appropriate vocabulary.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Message 782 of 1385 (852073)
05-06-2019 5:47 PM
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05-06-2019 5:43 PM


Re: Wrong about history as well as science
And many have been falsified.
Getting some of it correct is not evidence that any other part is correct.

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JonF
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Message 787 of 1385 (852078)
05-06-2019 6:03 PM
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05-06-2019 5:48 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
The ol' "we don't know everything therefore we know nothing" gambit. Boring.
Gets harder and harder to cram God/aliens into those gaps, amirite?

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JonF
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Message 788 of 1385 (852079)
05-06-2019 6:04 PM
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05-06-2019 6:01 PM


Re: Progressive Creation - no predictive ability - take 2
The find was not "lucky".
Your aliens are compatible with anything and explain nothing.

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JonF
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Message 831 of 1385 (852177)
05-07-2019 8:55 PM
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05-07-2019 7:01 PM


Re: Restating the question
"cat"
Mutate "c" to "b"...
"bat"
Two different words with a lot of features in common. Similar to chimps and humans.
That's the process. There are lots of important details left out. But without understanding how the process changes a chimp/human precursor into chimps and humans there's no point in going into them.

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JonF
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Message 859 of 1385 (852264)
05-08-2019 5:49 PM
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05-08-2019 5:43 PM


Re: Restating the question
You keep thinking in terms of mutations making the difference between chimps and humans but that makes no sense at all to a YEC. Mutations occur in both genomes completely independently.
You think we don't know or agree with that?
We do. Nobody has claimed any coordination or denied the independence of mutations in the two genomes. The possibility would never occur to someone who understands basic genetics.
It's hard to tell where your misunderstandings lie.
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JonF
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Message 870 of 1385 (852279)
05-08-2019 6:30 PM
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05-08-2019 5:53 PM


Re: Restating the question
Three points, two of which you've accepted
  • A chimp genome produces chimps.
  • A human genome produces humans.
  • Since the two genomes are comprised of the same four bases, and how a genome came to be is irrelevant to what it does, we could change the bases in the human genome to be that of a chimp. It would produce chimps.
Denying that third point is exactly like saying you can't change the word "cat" to the word "bat" by changing the "c" to a "b".

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Message 871 of 1385 (852280)
05-08-2019 6:32 PM
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05-08-2019 6:09 PM


So this thread is pointless.

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JonF
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Message 872 of 1385 (852281)
05-08-2019 6:35 PM
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05-08-2019 6:20 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
What you have for the reptile jaw-mammalian inner-ear is a rehashed version of the nineteenth-century superstition of spontaneous generation
Spontaneous generation and the ToE are polar opposites. One could not "rework" one into the other.

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Message 879 of 1385 (852296)
05-08-2019 7:22 PM
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05-08-2019 6:35 PM


Re: Scientific theory and "proof" vs validation/s
Wow, that's one very tight example of circular reasoning.

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Message 881 of 1385 (852298)
05-08-2019 7:25 PM
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05-08-2019 6:54 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
God of the gaps.
Aliens of the gaps.
As we learn more the gaps get smaller no matter what you're trying to stuff in them.

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JonF
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Message 894 of 1385 (852327)
05-08-2019 8:13 PM
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05-08-2019 7:49 PM


Re: Progressive Creation
False dichotomy. Lack of understanding or evidence does not invalidate what we know.
By definition the gaps are where evolution isn't.

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JonF
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Message 897 of 1385 (852331)
05-08-2019 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 883 by Dredge
05-08-2019 7:36 PM


Um, no. I'm not an atheist but I know why atheists do not find everything pointless. The answer begins with "ev" and ends with "on".
You wrote "Null and void. A scientific theory doesn't need a practical application to be accepted as valid."
So whether or not the concept of the LUCA has practical application is irrelevant.
As is this entire thread.

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JonF
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Message 901 of 1385 (852335)
05-08-2019 8:28 PM
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05-08-2019 8:22 PM


Yeah, there is that. But the thread is still based on a viewpoint he's explicitly rejected.

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