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If you are going to accuse me of misrepresenting the fact I think you need to be a lot clearer how you came to that conclusion. I read it and I concluded what I concluded. That's all I know.

The electoral college was never intended to provide an advantage to a minority of voters. Why do you think this? See United States Electoral College - Wikipedia. Two things. First, I don't like it because its unrepresentative.Second, I don't "vote Democratic." How many times must you be reminded that I am not a Republican or a Democrat?The significant difference between us is that I would think it a bad thing whenever a president was elected by a minority of the people, while you would think it a bad thing only when it was a Democrat.--Percy

We on the right know that the Democratic Party is following socialist concepts and even Marxist concepts. Political Correctness that accuses everybody of racism and xenophobia and all that rot comes from Cultural Marxism. I know it because I've watched it over the years since the sixti3es, but maybe you don't know it. So learn it. It's Marxist. Cultural Marxism has pretty much taken over the Democratic Party and is quite evident to me. So no I do not misuse the terms, they apply to the Democrats, and very often to you as well. They violate basic Constitutional principles. They are going to undermine the whole American system. They affect judicial decisions, they affect legislation, they are increasing and few seem to have any idea what is really going on.Then there is the fact that Bernie Sanders IS a Communist at heart and so was Barack Obama who was raised in a Communist family. Sanders may have been a "red diaper baby" but I'm not sure of that. In any case all his sympathies are Communist. He even spent his honeymoon in Moscow, and I don't mean Moscow Idaho.lEdited by Faith, : No reason given.

If as you say that the Electoral College was never intended to provide an advantage to a minority of voters then there is absolutely no point to it at all.

Facts are facts.So you are admitting that you are unable to deal with facts?Why should we look surprised at that?

Wow, didn't see that coming. Thank you, apology accepted.Your story was accompanied by a claim that you *are* benefiting from Republican policies. So far you've mentioned Social Security, Medicare, SNAP (you called it EBT, but that is only the method by which the funds are dispensed), and rent relief. Three of the four without question originated with Democrats, and you haven't described the source of your rent relief, which I doubt stems from a Republican policy. Certainly Trump's history is to disenfranchise low income renters. Is the source of this relief Republican? If not then why did you claim that you're benefiting from Republican policies?--Percy

Ohy the facts are clear enough. Red baiting is just rightly identifying Communism where it exists, and calling it red baiting is a way to undermine the truth. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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We on the right know that the Democratic Party is following socialist concepts and even Marxist concepts.

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Because you listen to lying hate-mongers and don’t care about the truth.

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Political Correctness that accuses everybody of racism and xenophobia and all that rot comes from Cultural Marxism.

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No, it comes from the actual xenophobia and racism on the Right. But smearing people who dare to uncover the rottenness is your SOP.

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I know it because I've watched it over the years since the sixti3es, but maybe you don't know it. So learn it. It's Marxist

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You certainly haven’t been watching that closely if you think that. Sure Political Correctness was promoted by the Left - and mocked by the Right - but it sure as hell isn’t about the Class Struggle. All it comes down to is politeness even sometimes if it was taken too far.

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Cultural Marxism has pretty much taken over the Democratic Party and is quite evident to me

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It wouldn’t be the first time a fantasy was quite evident to you.

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They violate basic Constitutional principles.

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But you have trouble pointing out real examples, while you argue against the Constitution nearly as often as Marc.

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They are going to undermine the whole American system.

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Trump seems to be doing a grand job of that. Consider the. A Rio us shenanigans over the Ukraine, his obstruction of justice. And your endorsement of the plan to wreck the checks and balances but impeaching a Democratic President just for being a Democrat is even worse.And then theres the whole business of judicial appointments where Republicans delayed filling vacancies until they could be sure of appointing ideologically right-wing judges, with little regard for merit. Not to mention the gerrymandering, the voter suppression and the refusal to take action to secure the voting system.

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They affect judicial decisions, they affect legislation, they are increasing and few seem to have any idea what is really going on

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Notably you.

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Then there is the fact that Bernie Sanders IS a Communist at heart and so was Barack Obama who was raised in a Communist family.

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I don’t think that even Sanders is that far left and Obama certainly wasn’t. That’s a perfect example of red-baiting - the obvious falsehood of it driving the point home.

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Ohy the facts are clear enough. Red baiting is just rightly identifying Communism where it exists, and calling it red baiting is a way to undermine the truth

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The facts are clear enough. Red-baiting is often an outright lie, and as usual you don’t want the lie exposed.

If you're still referring to Red-baiting - Wikipedia then I'll just add my opinion to DWise1's and PaulK's. It looks like you either didn't read it or didn't understand it. Accusing an actual admitted communist of being a communist is not red-baiting. If you called known communist John Bachtell a communist he'd gladly admit it (he was chair of the US Communist Party until recently). It is only when the accusation is false or only suspected that it is red-baiting. You seem to be missing this distinction.--Percy

Thank you for that excellent example of red-baiting.--Percy

It isn't me saying it, it's the historical record. Read all about it: United States Electoral College - Wikipedia. If you click on that link it will take you to the section about the original goals of the electoral college. The first two points based on the writings of Alexander Hamilton are instructive.--Percy

I'll say this at the outset that I doubt very much there was any intention of "protecting the rural areas" or "protecting small states" when the Electoral College was set up.One of the main goals of the Electoral College was that citizens would elect the electors who would then meet and discuss the possible choices before voting. It was never intended to be the bizarre proxy for the popular vote that it has become.The intent was to elect delegates who would meet as a deliberative body (actually, several bodies since each states' electors would meet separately in their respective capitols) to discuss, debate, and finally vote on their choice for President.I also doubt that apportioning the electors according to Congressional representation was meant to provide a floor of three electors for the small states. My feeling is that it was meant to make sure there were several people to provide an actual debate. Added by edit: This wasn't meant to be specifically a reply to Percy's message - more of a general reply.Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.

Really? Really? You really want to go up against THE FACTS? What kind of complete fool are you?This is what you are "replying" to (Message 5294): That was in reply to your fact-free message, Message 5283: Which was in turn a "reply" to PaulK's [mid=8731180]. At which point we lose track of just what the fuck you are talking about.So then just what the FUCK are you talking about?

And calling it Communisism where it clearly does not exist is also permissible? That is clearly the kind of red-baiting that you are engaging in.Calling you on your evil just means that we are calling out evil.