The spectacular fall of YEC beliefs

That's what I said. The point of promoting literacy was to establish Biblical knowledge among the people. Of course, because society can only deteriorate without a Christian worldview to govern it. We're not talking "A religion" of course, we're talking the God who made it all.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I lived the first 45 plus years of my life as a secular liberal who believed in evolution and had a good reputation among my intellectual friends. When I became a Christian and a YEC I didn't turn into somebody else.

Nope, those are ad-hominem-fodder questions.

Those are links, not evidence in your own words.

Not necessarily. Civilized people extend the benefit of the doubt and know that ad hominems are bad form.

And that has what to do with the promotion of universal literacy and general education?

"Millennium" is the singular.Without Christianity there would have been no secular UK. You'd still be a bunch of warring tribes, some gallivanting around in body paint, some worshiping the sun at Stonehenge, performing witchcraft, celebrating Samhain by propitiating the Aos Si, the pagan gods etc. Perhaps you'd have enjoyed that more than civilization though. Guess what, I think you might eventually get a chance somewhat along those lines....Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Your words could STATE the evidence. The links aren't going to be much in the way of evidence anyway.

Never been in a debate with a Muslim but I don't see why I wouldn't extend the benefit of the doubt in the relevant context. Same with Catholics and liberals. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I missed you too, Theodoric. Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed your sabbatical or whatever it was.

You are not talking about extending the benefit of the doubt about a particular subject in a debate, you are talking about a whole ideology I happen to have studied enough to know that it is what it is. That's got nothing to do with giving any benefit of the doubt. If a Muslim told me in a discussion that he has the "liberal" interpretation of jihad that is spiritual rather than physical, I would have no reason to disbelieve him since I know that interpretation of Islam does exist. But I also know that Islam as interpreted by strict fundamentalists (such as the Iranian Ayatollah Khomeini) very aggressively advocates murdering infidels, considering it a command from Allah, and that sometimes a liberal can change to a fundamentalist. But this is about ideology, not persons, and in any case has nothing to do with the situation of being in a discussion with a Muslim where benefit of the doubt might be relevant.And you misrepresent what I've said about Catholicism. I've said that some Catholics are certainly Christians but that the institution itself and especially its leadership by the Pope and the hierarchy, is not. Again nothing to do with a discussion in which benefit of the doubt is relevant. The Reformation exposed the essential nonChristianity of Catholicism and antiChristianity of the papacy in particular, in book after book after book. Again this is about ideology, not persons.The statement about liberals is too broad to answer, but again it is false to talk about individuals since I focus on the ideology and not individuals, at least try to keep the distinction clear. So there's no such thing as established truth about anything according to you, one must always be "flexible" even if one knows something for a fact. You don't believe that yourself of course, you just have a different set of inflexible dogmas than I do, "scientifically established understandings" as opposed to divinely established understandings for instance.How "flexible" are you about YEC? About the Bible? About the dates of the Earth?How flexibie are you about my motives in this particular discussion for isntance. How much benefit of the doubt, as a matter of fact, do you ever extend to me on this very subject where you always lambast and excoriate me? Based on your own inflexibile beliefs.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

"Scientifically established understandings" was your phrase, and you were condemning me for denying those understandings. Which denial as a matter of fact only pertains to the historical sciences which I consider to be bad science, no other kind of science.In any case your unwarranted personal attacks on me continue and as a result I continue to ignore you when I choose to.Oh, and let me repeat: Islam is an evil ideology that seeks the murder of "infidels" as well as a world-wide caliphate; and Roman Catholicism is a power-hungry pagan superstitious ideology that also seeks the murder of "infidels." Two peas in a pod really, as some of the Reformers also noted. There are Muslims who fortunately don't follow their ideology very closely and the same with Catholics, but that doesn't change the fact that the ideologies are pure evil. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That is an insane fantasy of your own that bears no resemblance to Protestant Christianity. Must be inspired by Catholicism. It was Reformation Proetstantism that inspired all the liberal doctr5ines of the American constitution. Nobody is saying Protestants as human beings are perfect, but Biblical Christianity is the best thing that ever happened to the human race. Of course all the powers of darkness including Roman Catholicism itself are working hard to destroy it.

My fundamentalism teaches a merciful loving God who seeks to save us from the eternal punishment for our transgressions of His Law.

Can't see the distinction between Allah who wants infidels murdered and offers no salvation, just endless futile attempts to be righteous which includes killing infidels, the Pope who wants infidels murdered and thinks salvation depends on being good or being in good standing with the Roman Church, and the Protestant God who died to save us from the inexorable Moral Law. Right, SO similar.