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Message 20 of 670 (831878)
04-26-2018 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Rrhain
04-25-2018 8:04 PM


Re: A Thought on the Toronto Van Rampage
Rrhain writes:
And what part of "the guy was white" played into your analysis?
Let's not pretend that Canada has defeated racism.
And I don't believe that humans ever will fully defeat our prejudices and preconceived profilings. We will simply get better than we used to be, hopefully.
Stile is right---you always like to push activist causes. Are you one of them radicals?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 104 of 670 (836297)
07-14-2018 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Percy
07-14-2018 8:03 AM


Proposed Solution
Percy, responding to Hyroglyphyx writes:
"Rank and file police in *most jurisdictions* shouldn't have guns. That's my position. Rebut that."
The only problem as I see it is that Rank and file citizenry, even in small rural jurisdictions, do have guns. Guns are a uniquely American problem, and disarming law enforcement won't make the problem go away.
Perhaps one solution would be to provide the police with another weapon that would be lethal in immobilizing suspects yet non-fatal, like a tranquilizer gun.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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Phat
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Message 163 of 670 (844460)
11-30-2018 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Percy
11-30-2018 8:38 AM


Re: Police Murder Fleeing Man at Alabama Mall
The guns have to be taken off the streets, taken away altogether, even from police with the exception of specially trained forces.
How would we make sure there was no black market or that some were hiding weapons? In other words, how specifically could all guns be accounted for should we vote to take them all away?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Message 248 of 670 (860757)
08-11-2019 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by ringo
08-11-2019 2:57 PM


Re: Dayton Shooting
That, and I think he means that there would always be a market...legally or illegally and that legislation alone wont stop the spread of or existence of guns.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 484 of 670 (877124)
06-05-2020 6:13 AM
Reply to: Message 481 by jar
06-03-2020 7:37 AM


Re: The Silencing of the Press
I'm not understanding your point. Is it deadpan humor? Irony? Satire? My opinion is that it is a mistake to paint "white" as a newly oppressed group. You will simply cause more conflict. And no, I will not trim the hedges or mow the lawn. My position is equal to any other group. I am no longer entitled to more, but I certainly won't settle for less. Don't fan the flames. The issue of Floyd is not a black thing or an anti-white thing. It is human behavior in general.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

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As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
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Phat
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Message 549 of 670 (882462)
09-24-2020 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 546 by vimesey
09-23-2020 11:18 PM


Judgement Calls
Interesting exchange between you and Hyro. Here is my 2 cents.
  • Anyone of us can be a Monday Morning Quarterback. The police are responsible for what they do. It is fair to question why the guy was even shot 7 times, but that is a judgement call made by the officers who responded.
    As for handcuffing him to the gurney, is it possible that he was thrashing around (or could have tried) and may end up paralyzing himself for life in so doing?
    Perhaps handcuffing Blake to the gurney was for his own safety and not done as an overreaction of his perceived threat towards others...but mainly himself?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
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    Phat
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    Message 623 of 670 (885471)
    04-14-2021 9:36 AM
    Reply to: Message 622 by Percy
    04-14-2021 8:47 AM


    Re: And yet again!
    Im beginning to agree with your theory that we should have a smaller group of armed police.(a highly trained group) and that the rest of them shouldn't be armed. In order to do this, however, we would need to reduce the ease of acquiring guns and disarm the public to a degree first. Otherwise how else will we achieve peace?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 624 of 670 (885472)
    04-14-2021 9:43 AM
    Reply to: Message 621 by jar
    04-12-2021 3:48 PM


    Flipping The Script
    Fortunately, my handgun is still present. Lately it's been an FN 1906 that was most likely made in 1913 or early 1914.
    Wonderful, jar. We hope and trust that *you* will never have a bad moment. And you may actually save somebody some day.
    Play devils advocate for a moment. Defend Percys argument that less police should be armed. Surely there must be a defense to that argument.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 632 of 670 (885537)
    04-17-2021 9:27 AM
    Reply to: Message 631 by Percy
    04-17-2021 7:56 AM


    Re: More Add Their Voices to Taking Away Police Guns
    Wonder what would replace them? Drones?
    (...) *reads article*(...)
    quote:
    these traffic safety agencies should rely on automation — including speed and red-light cameras. Although we must remain vigilant to ensure that these machines aren’t disproportionately placed in Black neighborhoods, at least we know cameras don’t demean, pepper spray, or kill.
    That's kinda been your point all along? Huh Percy...

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 644 of 670 (885640)
    04-21-2021 6:40 AM
    Reply to: Message 640 by Percy
    04-20-2021 8:05 PM


    Life After Chauvin Conviction: Same Story
    Ohio shooting: Columbus police shoot dead black teenage girl
    Yet another example that supports your case regarding dis-arming the police.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 645 of 670 (885641)
    04-21-2021 6:44 AM
    Reply to: Message 634 by AZPaul3
    04-17-2021 4:49 PM


    Re: More Add Their Voices to Taking Away Police Guns
    Perhaps they could fight the demons with the Pastors. Except that a demon may manifest at the altar and the host shot dead.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 657 of 670 (885770)
    04-26-2021 9:04 AM
    Reply to: Message 656 by Percy
    04-25-2021 9:59 AM


    Guns And Pop Culture
    This video was made by a young You Tube filmaker. It depicts suburban innocence (unlike children who grow up in a non suburban way) and it kinda shows how I may have grown up. We white folks think that there are cowboys and there are indians and the police are our friends who protect the suburban good guys from the evil gangs of the inner cities. Thank God there is still innocence in this world. Lets get rid of the guns...even toy ones can carry a cultural meme...as follows

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 660 of 670 (886992)
    06-27-2021 5:43 AM
    Reply to: Message 659 by Percy
    06-26-2021 7:57 AM


    Re: Hero Murdered by Police
    After seeing you post this I read about it in the local news.(It happened less than 25 miles away) This story was unique from the thousands of other conflicts only in that the deceased family says (tentatively) that they support the police in the ongoing investigation.
    It was still sad. These types of stories always will be.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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